24 Nov 09
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Originally posted by sh76I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her autopsy) showed that most her brain including the areas known to control higher thinking had devolved to liquid.
I guess we'll never know.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery
Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
So to answer your question. Yes, I would think twice about pulling the plug based on this story. However, my decision would be heavily influenced by the data on the patients brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
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24 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76Well, you seem to be thinking like someone with a head full of fluid and no brain matter. So, yep, you'll never know.
I guess we'll never know.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery
Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
24 Nov 09
Originally posted by telerionI was going to post something similer, great post. What's sad is what a political spectical the right turned it into. If I didn't know any better I'd say they would politicize anything.... even breast cancer.
I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her a ...[text shortened]... brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
24 Nov 09
Originally posted by telerionIt is not meant to be anything more than just that- a superficial comparison, as you said. That the Schaivo autopsy may have confirmed the decision in her case does not change the fact that the doctors clearly bungled this case.
I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her a ...[text shortened]... brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
25 Nov 09
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Originally posted by sh76I recently had to battle with this decision with my mother. We listened to the Doctors who gave a dismal picture. We decided to let her go but it was tough.
I guess we'll never know.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery
Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
How can one not wonder?
And to call it "pulling the plug" is so very frivoulous. It is stopping all feeding essentially. Very painful to witness.
25 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76That's true. I can't imagine what a nightmare it must have been for him.
It is not meant to be anything more than just that- a superficial comparison, as you said. That the Schaivo autopsy may have confirmed the decision in her case does not change the fact that the doctors clearly bungled this case.
25 Nov 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperWhat does breast cancer have to do with any of this?
I was going to post something similer, great post. What's sad is what a political spectical the right turned it into. If I didn't know any better I'd say they would politicize anything.... even breast cancer.
In any case, if end of life issues debate is not a political issue, then what is? Of course it's a political issue. And, please, don't tell me the evil GOP dragged her family through the press... Schaivo's parents were desperately trying to have her continue living. This was not a dispute between the family and the Republicans. It was a dispute between family members that was already in the courts for decades. It was the definition of a political issue.
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25 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76I'm sure you don't want facts to get in the way of your politics (especially your political fantasies) but the court case was completely decided before your heroes stepped into it and demonstrated how little concern they had for actual people. Many people will never forget this (of course they weren't born yesterday with the memory of senile elephant.) Yes, they dragged these poor people thru the press when the court had already spoken - and yes, it was none of their damn business to interfere with the lawful and humane course this case had taken in a free country.
What does breast cancer have to do with any of this?
In any case, if end of life issues debate is not a political issue, then what is? Of course it's a political issue. And, please, don't tell me the evil GOP dragged her family through the press... Schaivo's parents were desperately trying to have her continue living. This was not a dispute between the famil ...[text shortened]... mbers that was already in the courts for decades. It was the definition of a political issue.
25 Nov 09
Originally posted by sh76Maybe if I was a qualified doctor and there were strong similarities between this case and Terri's.
I guess we'll never know.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery
Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?