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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    24 Nov '09 22:28
    I guess we'll never know.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery

    Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
  2. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    24 Nov '09 22:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    I guess we'll never know.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery

    Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
    I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her autopsy) showed that most her brain including the areas known to control higher thinking had devolved to liquid.

    So to answer your question. Yes, I would think twice about pulling the plug based on this story. However, my decision would be heavily influenced by the data on the patients brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
  3. 24 Nov '09 22:50
    Originally posted by sh76
    I guess we'll never know.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery

    Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
    Well, you seem to be thinking like someone with a head full of fluid and no brain matter. So, yep, you'll never know.
  4. Standard member joneschr
    Some guy
    24 Nov '09 23:30
    I've discovered a technique for communicating with my pet fish. I interpret his mouth movements and can write down his thoughts in full sentences.

    Regretfully, I can't get the AP to write a story on my incredible finding.
  5. 24 Nov '09 23:31
    Originally posted by telerion
    I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her a ...[text shortened]... brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
    I was going to post something similer, great post. What's sad is what a political spectical the right turned it into. If I didn't know any better I'd say they would politicize anything.... even breast cancer.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    24 Nov '09 23:37
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    Well, you seem to be thinking like someone with a head full of fluid and no brain matter. So, yep, you'll never know.
    Gee, what a well thought out, potent criticism. Nice job, there. Keep it up and they'll elect you to Congress one of these days.
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    24 Nov '09 23:39
    Originally posted by telerion
    I read this article this morning and just knew some one would make a superficial connection to Terri Schiavo. Yes, they were both diagnosed with PVS, however Terry Schiavo and this man had very different brain conditions. Doctors conmented on how normal this man's brain appeared in tests during his ordeal while the tests on Terri (later confirmed by her a ...[text shortened]... brain condition. And I would not hesitate to pull the plug on some one in Terri's condition.
    It is not meant to be anything more than just that- a superficial comparison, as you said. That the Schaivo autopsy may have confirmed the decision in her case does not change the fact that the doctors clearly bungled this case.
  8. 25 Nov '09 00:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    I guess we'll never know.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery

    Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
    I recently had to battle with this decision with my mother. We listened to the Doctors who gave a dismal picture. We decided to let her go but it was tough.

    How can one not wonder?

    And to call it "pulling the plug" is so very frivoulous. It is stopping all feeding essentially. Very painful to witness.
  9. 25 Nov '09 00:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Gee, what a well thought out, potent criticism. Nice job, there. Keep it up and they'll elect you to Congress one of these days.
    Don't worry, you've shown you are at least qualified for the Senate.
  10. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    25 Nov '09 01:20
    Originally posted by sh76
    It is not meant to be anything more than just that- a superficial comparison, as you said. That the Schaivo autopsy may have confirmed the decision in her case does not change the fact that the doctors clearly bungled this case.
    That's true. I can't imagine what a nightmare it must have been for him.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Nov '09 03:10
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    I was going to post something similer, great post. What's sad is what a political spectical the right turned it into. If I didn't know any better I'd say they would politicize anything.... even breast cancer.
    What does breast cancer have to do with any of this?

    In any case, if end of life issues debate is not a political issue, then what is? Of course it's a political issue. And, please, don't tell me the evil GOP dragged her family through the press... Schaivo's parents were desperately trying to have her continue living. This was not a dispute between the family and the Republicans. It was a dispute between family members that was already in the courts for decades. It was the definition of a political issue.
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Nov '09 03:21
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    Don't worry, you've shown you are at least qualified for the Senate.
    You may have meant it sarcastically, but you're right. I know more about US government and politics than many Senators do.

    Yeah, Harry Reid, I'm talking to YOU!
  13. 25 Nov '09 05:59
    Originally posted by sh76
    You may have meant it sarcastically, but you're right. I know more about US government and politics than many Senators do.

    Yeah, Harry Reid, I'm talking to YOU!
    Frist!
  14. 25 Nov '09 06:09
    Originally posted by sh76
    What does breast cancer have to do with any of this?

    In any case, if end of life issues debate is not a political issue, then what is? Of course it's a political issue. And, please, don't tell me the evil GOP dragged her family through the press... Schaivo's parents were desperately trying to have her continue living. This was not a dispute between the famil ...[text shortened]... mbers that was already in the courts for decades. It was the definition of a political issue.
    I'm sure you don't want facts to get in the way of your politics (especially your political fantasies) but the court case was completely decided before your heroes stepped into it and demonstrated how little concern they had for actual people. Many people will never forget this (of course they weren't born yesterday with the memory of senile elephant.) Yes, they dragged these poor people thru the press when the court had already spoken - and yes, it was none of their damn business to interfere with the lawful and humane course this case had taken in a free country.
  15. 25 Nov '09 07:11
    Originally posted by sh76
    I guess we'll never know.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_he_me/eu_belgium_coma_recovery

    Would something like this make you more hesitant to pull the plug on a patient who had not given consent and who is not brain dead?
    Maybe if I was a qualified doctor and there were strong similarities between this case and Terri's.