There's been some suggestion by right wingers that turnout was low compared to 2020 only because somehow this election was better "monitored". Obviously, this is just a backhanded way to revive the discredited Trumpian claims that he really, really won in 2020 and only Democratic cheating prevented him from being re-elected.
I decided to do some checking. We can all agree that the difference this year was that Trump carried 6 swing States - Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada that he lost in 2020. So, if the claim was correct we would have seen sharp drops in voter turnout in those States.
Here's the numbers in the nearest thousand:
2020
Pennsylvania; 6,915,000
Michigan: 5,539,000
Wisconsin: 3,298,000
Georgia: 4,999,000
Arizona: 3,387,000
Nevada: 1,405,000
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2020presgeresults.pdf
2024
Pennsylvania: 7,013,000 + 1.4%
Michigan: 5,655,000 + 2.1%
Wisconsin: 3,415,000 +3.7%
Georgia: 5,252,000 +5.0%
Arizona: 3,363,000 -0.6%
Nevada: 1,484,000 +5.6%
https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/
As you can see, actual turnout was up in every swing State but Arizona and there the drop was less than 1%. In all others, there were more votes cast, in two the increase was more than 5%.
Right wingers like Kelly Jay are going to need a different fairy tale.
@no1marauder saidSlice it dice it anyway you like, you still lost, that’s all we care about?? Like you, the large majority of the liberals that post here don’t even play chess or have pretend games like wildgrass and spruce. Take a break from the craziness, play some games, pull yourselves together😉.
There's been some suggestion by right wingers that turnout was low compared to 2020 only because somehow this election was better "monitored". Obviously, this is just a backhanded way to revive the discredited Trumpian claims that he really, really won in 2020 and only Democratic cheating prevented him from being re-elected.
I decided to do some checking. We can all ag ...[text shortened]... increase was more than 5%.
Right wingers like Kelly Jay are going to need a different fairy tale.
@mike69 saidRight wingers are the ones posting the claims I mentioned. Just setting the record straight.
Slice it dice it anyway you like, you still lost, that’s all we care about?? Like you, the large majority of the liberals that post here don’t even play chess or have pretend games like wildgrass and spruce. Take a break from the craziness, play some games, pull yourselves together😉.
Unlike right wingers, I can admit when my preferred candidate lost - heck, I don't even have an urge to storm the Capitol or allow those who did to escape scot free - about it.
@no1marauder saidI haven’t heard that or care, I just feel blessed and relieved you lost. My hopes, prayers, and thoughts are that the country can heal and come together as one.
Right wingers are the ones posting the claims I mentioned. Just setting the record straight.
Unlike right wingers, I can admit when my preferred candidate lost - heck, I don't even have an urge to storm the Capitol or allow those who did to escape scot free - about it.
-Removed-No, it's not down by 8 million votes. A little over 153 million votes have been counted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election) and there's still about 2 million left on the West Coast (https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/).
There were about 158.5 million votes cast in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
Turnout in 2018 and 2020 were unusually high and some regression should have been expected. The percentage of eligible voters casting ballots in the midterms dropped about 3.5% from 2018 to 2022. https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2022:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout
A 2% or so overall fall in turnout in a Presidential year from 2020 to 2024 isn't shocking and hardly shows anything nefarious. And turnout was up in exactly those States where the stakes were highest which rendered foolish right wing claims that reduced turnout somehow "proves" "cheating" in 2020.
No, the fact that fewer people voted for the Democrat doesn't indicate cheating any more than that fewer voters cast their ballots for the Republican nominee in 2008 than did for the same party's nominee in 2004 or that Barack Obama got about 4 million less votes in 2012 than 2008.
-Removed-Yes, you said voter turnout was down by 8 million, which is an incorrect statement. It will be down about 3.5 million or 2.2% when all the votes are counted.
Admitting error isn't your strong point.
No, your proposed "data set" would be "proof" of cheating by Republicans in 2004 or Democrats in 2008 or any time partisan vote totals changed from one election to the next.
-Removed-What "assertion" was I making?
I was responding to assertions that this year's lower turnout "proves" that Democrats cheated in the election in 2020. Yet, there is no lower turnout in the States that actually decided this election. Ergo, the underlying premise is incorrect and thus cannot be "proof" of the assertion mentioned.
I could do that in symbolic logic if you like.
EDIT: I'll do it anyway.
IF P, then Q
Not P, therefore
Not Q.
-Removed-Actually the data I presented is exactly and precisely on point. There wasn't lower turnout in the States that decided the election so lower turnout elsewhere is irrelevant to their argument.
That you are having difficulty comprehending that fairly obvious point is a flaw in you, not in my data or interpretation of it.