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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    28 Feb '16 03:44 / 4 edits
    It's amazing to me that Americans are so quick to vilify an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children, calling her a lazy socialist, while turning a blind eye to the tens of billions of our tax dollars we freely give away to Goldman Sachs, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants. With the unemployment rate now below 5%, it's pretty safe to say that most Americans work for a living. One of the best ways we can reduce our deficit is to get these corporate giants off the public dole, and stop blaming the poor and disabled for all of our problems.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/cutting-corporate-welfare-queens-off-from-the-dole-would-offset-the-need-for-sequestration-budget-cuts.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/03/17/the-united-states-of-subsidies-the-biggest-corporate-winners-in-each-state/

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldman-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
  2. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    28 Feb '16 06:18
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's amazing to me that Americans are so quick to vilify an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children, calling her a lazy socialist, while turning a blind eye to the tens of billions of our tax dollars we freely give away to Goldman Sachs, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants. With the unemployment rate now be ...[text shortened]... 1/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldman-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
    Don't think you'll find many around here arguing for corporate welfare, except No1 who will say something about democratically elected officials...blah blah blah...if you don't like it you can leave.
  3. 28 Feb '16 12:17
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's amazing to me that Americans are so quick to vilify an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children, calling her a lazy socialist, while turning a blind eye to the tens of billions of our tax dollars we freely give away to Goldman Sachs, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants. With the unemployment rate now be ...[text shortened]... 1/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldman-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
    Nobody's complaining about people like your hypothetical unemployed mother with kids needing food stamps, they're complaining about the 2nd and 3rd generation welfare rat families that have never worked and have no plans to. They are complaining about indolent women who just keep squeezing out kids they can't afford because they get more money for each one they have, and their kids growing up to do the same.
    And the beat goes on.
  4. 28 Feb '16 13:26 / 1 edit
    LOL woman with 15 kids and another on the way:
    "Somebody needs to pay fo' all mah chilrens an sumwun needs to be held accountable an they need to PAY!"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    28 Feb '16 16:17
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's amazing to me that Americans are so quick to vilify an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children, calling her a lazy socialist, while turning a blind eye to the tens of billions of our tax dollars we freely give away to Goldman Sachs, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants. With the unemployment rate now be ...[text shortened]... 1/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldman-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
    Bill do you ever stop to think about how much you agree with conservatives on this topic? How do you think corporations manage to get all this corporate welfare? They buy politicians. The difference between the left and right seems to be that the left blames the corporations for buying the politicians, and the right blames the politicians for being for sale. You call it corporate welfare, and I call it corruption in DC. We mean the same thing.
  6. 28 Feb '16 16:26
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Bill do you ever stop to think about how much you agree with conservatives on this topic? How do you think corporations manage to get all this corporate welfare? They buy politicians. The difference between the left and right seems to be that the left blames the corporations for buying the politicians, and the right blames the politicians for being for sale. You call it corporate welfare, and I call it corruption in DC. We mean the same thing.
    EXCELLENT POINT !
  7. 28 Feb '16 16:51
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Bill do you ever stop to think about how much you agree with conservatives on this topic? How do you think corporations manage to get all this corporate welfare? They buy politicians. The difference between the left and right seems to be that the left blames the corporations for buying the politicians, and the right blames the politicians for being for sale. You call it corporate welfare, and I call it corruption in DC. We mean the same thing.
    If only there was a way to make bribery illegal...
  8. 28 Feb '16 17:01
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    If only there was a way to make bribery illegal...
    Bribery is illegal, just ask Budd Dwyer.
    Too bad he was probably innocent.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVm88MX2Gw4&bpctr=1456680459
  9. 28 Feb '16 17:45
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Bill do you ever stop to think about how much you agree with conservatives on this topic? How do you think corporations manage to get all this corporate welfare? They buy politicians. The difference between the left and right seems to be that the left blames the corporations for buying the politicians, and the right blames the politicians for being for sale. You call it corporate welfare, and I call it corruption in DC. We mean the same thing.
    I would like bill to define "corporate welfare". Except for the government bailouts of the big three, corporations may get tax deductions and exclusions, in exchange for actions the government wants them to take, but I want to see this corporate welfare. It doesn't exist. They still pay massive amounts of taxes to operate, and get the benefits only if they do what the government wants them to.

    The last "corporate welfare" I remember was the bailouts and loans to GM and Chrysler which kept them from having to lay off thousands of factory workers making middle class incomes. What is ignored, is that almost every working stiff in this country is somewhat reliant on what large corporations do. They aren't the enemy. They are the reason why most have jobs.
  10. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    28 Feb '16 17:57
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I would like bill to define "corporate welfare". Except for the government bailouts of the big three, corporations may get tax deductions and exclusions, in exchange for actions the government wants them to take, but I want to see this corporate welfare. It doesn't exist. They still pay massive amounts of taxes to operate, and get the benefits only if ...[text shortened]... on what large corporations do. They aren't the enemy. They are the reason why most have jobs.
    Well Norm, If you'd bothered to actually read the links I posted, you'd find they would answer your question.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    28 Feb '16 21:14
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's amazing to me that Americans are so quick to vilify an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children, calling her a lazy socialist, while turning a blind eye to the tens of billions of our tax dollars we freely give away to Goldman Sachs, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants. With the unemployment rate now be ...[text shortened]... 1/eight-corporate-subsidies-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-from-goldman-sachs-to-disney-to-nascar.html
    Who vilified an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children?
  12. 29 Feb '16 00:41
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who vilified an unemployed mother who applied for food stamps to feed her children?
    People that were complaining about this woman:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0
  13. 29 Feb '16 00:50
    Originally posted by bill718
    Well Norm, If you'd bothered to actually read the links I posted, you'd find they would answer your question.
    You might be more effective if you summarized the links, instead of expecting others to read three probably lengthy articles. I find most links supplied don't prove anything. They may support a point of view if you already agree.
  14. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    29 Feb '16 00:59
    Originally posted by normbenign
    You might be more effective if you summarized the links, instead of expecting others to read three probably lengthy articles. I find most links supplied don't prove anything. They may support a point of view if you already agree.
    OK...I get it now, if it's any news story of any kind, it must be from the "Liberal Media"
  15. 29 Feb '16 01:03
    Originally posted by bill718
    OK...I get it now, if it's any news story of any kind, it must be from the "Liberal Media"
    No sir. Your introduction can be bait, the inducement for me to invest time in reading stuff I might ordinarily ignore.