Originally posted by zeeblebotOdd response after having avoided my question😉
you couldn't think of a real answer so you came up with that?
We both know that if a Democrat Administration was in power whilst this depression is unfolding, you & people like yourself would be having a field day blaming the centre-right for economic ineptitude.
Originally posted by Squelchbelchdid i say anything like that?
So let me get this straight - Clinton is to blame for current the sub-prime fiasco too, right?
here's my answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
Originally posted by zeeblebot...
did i say anything like that?
here's my answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refut ...[text shortened]... real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
[edit] Example
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself.
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThat's great.
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[edit] Example
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
istorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself.
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Who in your opinion is to blame for the current sub-prime fiasco & the resulting economic trouble the US is currently going through?
Originally posted by Squelchbelchboo, hoo, poor you :'( ...
That's great.
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Who in your opinion is to blame for the current sub-prime fiasco & the resulting economic trouble the US is currently going through?
8 'roles of' and George Bush barely mentioned ... best they could do was say he created a cult of consumerism by calling for consumers to spend after 9/11 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortgage_financial_crisis#Causes_of_the_crisis
2 Causes of the crisis
2.1 The housing downturn
2.2 Role of borrowers
2.3 Role of financial institutions
2.4 Role of securitization
2.5 Role of mortgage brokers
2.6 Role of mortgage underwriters
2.7 Role of government and regulators
2.8 Role of credit rating agencies
2.9 Role of central banks
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Originally posted by zeeblebotSo all of a sudden wiki becomes the bastion of truth?
boo, hoo, poor you :'( ...
8 'roles of' and George Bush barely mentioned ... best they could do was say he created a cult of consumerism by calling for consumers to spend after 9/11 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortgage_financial_crisis#Causes_of_the_crisis
2 Causes of the crisis
2.1 The housing downturn
2.2 Role of borrowers ...[text shortened]... of government and regulators
2.8 Role of credit rating agencies
2.9 Role of central banks
Tutt tutt, how we pick 'n choose!
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/488
Blames Greenspan's low interest rate policy. Since we're not ansering questions & simply cut & pasting 😉
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Oh, how utterly precious of you, zeeblebot!
Originally posted by zeeblebot
the early 2000's economic downturn started when the markets started dropping from their peak in early 2000.
bush wasn't elected until Nov. / Dec. 2000, and didn't take office til January 2001.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch
So let me get this straight - Clinton is to blame for current the sub-prime fiasco too, right?
Originally posted by zeeblebot
did i say anything like that?
And then you deliver an unnecessary but deliciously pedantic little lecture about the "straw man argument" which you, in fact, don't seem to understand (always a hazard when you're a compulsive cutter & paster, I'm afraid)
To describe Squelchbelch's question as simply ignoring your actual position and substituting a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of your position, is completely unconvincing. And no amount of silly, over-eager Person A has position X Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X) Person B attacks position Y Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed gabble can cover up the fact that you couldn't/didn't want to answer Squelchbelch's perfectly reasonable and pugnacious request for clarification.
Edit: And I just adore the little "boo, hoo, poor you ..." barb! It's so funny to think of you there, convinced you'd landed some kind of intellectual blow on Squelchbelch's chin! You are just so precocious!
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Originally posted by FMFI thought he totally destoroyed me with his reasoned debate actually & have come-around to his POV 100% (whatever that is on this issue)
Oh, how utterly precious of you, zeeblebot!
Originally posted by zeeblebot
[b]the early 2000's economic downturn started when the markets started dropping from their peak in early 2000.
bush wasn't elected until Nov. / Dec. 2000, and didn't take office til January 2001.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch
So let me get this str answer Squelchbelch's perfectly reasonable and pugnacious request for clarification.
It was that last copy 'n paste from wiki - real killer.
Originally posted by FMFdid i say anything like "Clinton is to blame for current the sub-prime fiasco too, right?" ... is he posting it for any reason other than a strawman? ...
Oh, how utterly precious of you, zeeblebot!
Originally posted by zeeblebot
[b]the early 2000's economic downturn started when the markets started dropping from their peak in early 2000.
bush wasn't elected until Nov. / Dec. 2000, and didn't take office til January 2001.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch
So let me get this str ...[text shortened]... of intellectual blow on Squelchbelch's chin! You are just so precocious!
Originally posted by zeeblebotDon't be dull about this, please. The posts are there for all to see. Squelchbelch's question was a perfectly normal request for clarification of your insinuation. Your straw man hobby horse is making you seem tedious.
did i say anything like "Clinton is to blame for current the sub-prime fiasco too, right?" ... is he posting it for any reason other than a strawman? ...
Originally posted by FMFi doubt he was seeking clarification with that. do you speak for SQ?
Don't be dull about this, please. The posts are there for all to see. Squelchbelch's question was a perfectly normal request for clarification of your insinuation. Your straw man hobby horse is making you seem tedious.