@metal-brain saidThe Bolshevic revolution… you mean the Russian revolution as the rest of the world calls it…
The west has always been meddling in Russian affairs since the Bolshevic revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
And yes, they have.
What’s the debate? If history really happened? Or, perhaps, you’re referring to alien pyramids in Egypt being the control centre of the White army’s Q-anon supported counter measures?
@shavixmir
They have been fighting Marxism from the very beginning. The wealthy capitalists felt threatened by it then and they still fear it. They waged a propaganda war against it to convince the people that would benefit from it to fear it. The corporate news media will never put a Marxist on their news programs to keep people ignorant of what it really is about.
People should read Marx so they know what it is really about, not what people have been conditioned to think about it. If people knew what it is they would like it.
@metal-brain saidSo what is the debate?
@shavixmir
They have been fighting Marxism from the very beginning. The wealthy capitalists felt threatened by it then and they still fear it. They waged a propaganda war against it to convince the people that would benefit from it to fear it. The corporate news media will never put a Marxist on their news programs to keep people ignorant of what it really is about.
...[text shortened]... t what people have been conditioned to think about it. If people knew what it is they would like it.
@metal-brain saidIt’s a historical fact.
@shavixmir
Too much agreement to debate, huh?
So, unless you want to debate historical facts, I don’t really see any debate.
And most people don’t debate facts.
If you say: “blue is a colour.”
Yeah. Pretty much so.
@Metal-Brain
He is saying its not like you are going to actually get propaganda attaboys because nobody here believes a word you type.
@shavixmir saidYes, which is why Russians resent the west. They have very good reason to.
It’s a historical fact.
So, unless you want to debate historical facts, I don’t really see any debate.
And most people don’t debate facts.
If you say: “blue is a colour.”
Yeah. Pretty much so.
I'm glad you agree.
@metal-brain saidNapoleon, Crimea, WW1 & 2, the cold war, Afghanistan, end of the cold war, capitalist pressure resulting in the oligarchs, NATO expansion.
Yes, which is why Russians resent the west. They have very good reason to.
I'm glad you agree.
There are many reasons for Russia to dislike and not trust the West.
What’s your discussion?
@sonhouse saidWhen are you going to accept the west never stops meddling in Russia affairs and they have darn good reason to hate them? You don't care about the wrongs our government has done. You are too busy demonizing Russia as if they deserve it all.
@Metal-Brain
So when will you get Russian citizenship like all Snowdin?
@Metal-Brain
While YOU demonize the US as the fundamental creator of all evil.
You should be DEPORTED to Russia and get a TV show like Maria, you would love it.
@shavixmir saidAren't they completely justified for resenting the west?
Napoleon, Crimea, WW1 & 2, the cold war, Afghanistan, end of the cold war, capitalist pressure resulting in the oligarchs, NATO expansion.
There are many reasons for Russia to dislike and not trust the West.
What’s your discussion?
Isn't sonhouse and others demonizing Russia unjustly?
@sonhouse saidWho is the only nation to use nukes on another nation in world history?
@Metal-Brain
While YOU demonize the US as the fundamental creator of all evil.
You should be DEPORTED to Russia and get a TV show like Maria, you would love it.
Our government does evil things. You condone those evil acts. I don't.
@metal-brain saidYet you seem to portray Russia and the Soviet Union as somehow less threatening than the West.
When are you going to accept the west never stops meddling in Russia affairs and they have darn good reason to hate them? You don't care about the wrongs our government has done. You are too busy demonizing Russia as if they deserve it all.
Sort of like glossing over Stalin’s regime, the gulag, Russian attrocities in WW2, State sanctioned violence and the continuing oppression of people.
You seem rather naieve.
Don’t get me wrong. I agree that the West is guilty as charged. But so is Russia.
It’s not a black & white scenario. There are no good guys and bad guys.
Like most history and diplomacy, it’s a muddy and murky series of actions and reactions ever escalating, with true intentions submerged in propaganda from both sides.