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I applaud those trying to project when the worst of this virus will be over, and when we can get back to "normal" It's a noble cause you folks are undertaking, but it cannot be reliable, because "normal" is getting harder to define every week. Americas patchwork system of states taking this virus seriously and others who take a casual approach makes projections nearly impossible as the virus slowly fades in some states and rages in others, in addition, until a reliable vaccine is developed for COVID-19 this virus will not simply "go away one day" as Donald Trump said, also what will "normal" look like in 2-6 months as multitudes of small businesses close their doors for good? How many of these displaced workers will have jobs waiting for them?" Many companies that have sent their employees home to work have discovered (as my wife's employer has) it's far cheaper to keep them at home, and save leasing office space. What is this going to do to the already shaky commercial real estate market? What will "normal" look like by 2021? It sure won't look like 2020!


Whether or not a vaccine is developed will make a huge difference to "normal"
however I think the new normal will include;

1.Companies finally realising that office work can be done from home.
With 5G pretty much anything is possible. Employees will want it and employers
will save a shed load of money on office space.

2. The public will appreciate low-paid workers doing essential jobs, validating
their claims for a decent wage.

3. Governments will see that the trillions of dollars (which wasn't available prior
to the virus!) enable economic growth and will invest in their citizens more readily.

4. The first world will realise how lucky they are.

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@wolfgang59
I certainly hope so. I would say 'should with good leadership' as opposed to 'will' though!


@petewxyz said
@wolfgang59
I certainly hope so. I would say 'should with good leadership' as opposed to 'will' though!
Yes, I know I would prefer knowing to have good leadership as people die in mass from a Pandemic

It just gives you warm fuzzies.

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@mchill said
I applaud those trying to project when the worst of this virus will be over, and when we can get back to "normal" It's a noble cause you folks are undertaking, but it cannot be reliable, because "normal" is getting harder to define every week. Americas patchwork system of states taking this virus seriously and others who take a casual approach makes projections nearly impossib ...[text shortened]... y commercial real estate market? What will "normal" look like by 2021? It sure won't look like 2020!
Who will be the first to:

1. Fly on a plane again.

2. Shake someone's hand

3. Go to a buffet.

4. Not wash your hands 3512 times a day.

5. Want to travel in general

6. Go into the health care field.

7. Start a business that will end every time a flu outbreak occurs.

8 Invest in a market that ends every time a flu outbreak occurs. I would invest in toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and PPE but I'm pretty sure they stopped making it altogether now just for laughs.

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I don't like being a doomer and gloomer but sorry, I think we will be a long long way from normalcy.

Many businesses teeter on the brink of going under. This shutdown will doom the marginal businesses.

Small businesses are an anchor of the US economy.
48 percent of all US employees work for small businesses, down from 52 percent in the early 2000s. 18 percent of all US employees work for businesses with fewer than 20 employees. Small businesses accounted for over half of net job creation in 2014.


Don't worry about the Apples and Amazons of the world. They'll survive. It's the hundreds of thousands of lesser know businesses that may not.

Look at all the bars that have closed down, all the restaurants that have closed. Shoot, the food and beverage industry is notorious for businesses living on the edge. Many will never reopen. I belong to a club and I really worry they may never reopen unless they do a fundraiser or something.

Also,, the airline industry, the tourism industry, - all suffering badly.

So in short, I am quite skeptical. Hopeful, but worried.

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@earl-of-trumps said
Don't worry about the Apples and Amazons of the world. They'll survive. It's the hundreds of thousands of lesser know businesses that may not.
Yup, and that's where Trump and his buddies are the enemy of the people. They're all about saving the multinationals, even if - no, strike that, by preference if it also - kills off many small companies.
Meanwhile, in Europe, Trump's buddies are all about preserving the lives of the right-wing-voting geriatrics (who, in my observation, ignore sane precautions much more than younger people do) even if - no, strike again, with the desired side effect that - it kills anything which makes life for normal people worth living.

I wish there were a reckoning to come after the crisis. I hold no hope for that, or for the future in general.

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You will see robots and drones doing more and more jobs that used to be a person's job.


New Normal, unemployed standing in food lines.


@earl-of-trumps said
I don't like being a doomer and gloomer but sorry, I think we will be a long long way from normalcy.

Many businesses teeter on the brink of going under. This shutdown will doom the marginal businesses.

[b]Small businesses are an anchor of the US economy.
48 percent of all US employees work for small businesses, down from 52 percent in the early 2000s. 18 percen ...[text shortened]... tourism industry, - all suffering badly.

So in short, I am quite skeptical. Hopeful, but worried.
It will be different for most of us, and very different for many. The stores and shops that are now closed down will find it very hard to reopen. Restaurants often change owners and there will be new people running them. Things weren't very good before either - shops offering discounts 50-70% day after day sellings things that didn't attract customers. We can't have a lifestyle based on buying whatever just because it's cheap, and to make business go round. It didn't make anybody happy. There must be other, healthier ways.

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Norway's oil companies are a good place for young Swedes to find jobs.

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@eladar said
Norway's oil companies are a good place for young Swedes to find jobs.
I think we (not me personally) will find new possibilities after some time and Norwegian companies may be a solution. Swedish nurses were appreciated in Norwegian hospitals, to mention some. We will have hard times ahead of us but it may create ideas. I hope so.

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@Torunn

Well, there is one thing to remember, a saying my great grandmother would say to my father...never trust a Norwean.

Yes that was supposed to be a joke.

I had a Norwegian American teacher who liked to say...Out of the reeds ran a thousand Swedes chased by one Norwegian.

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@eladar said
@Torunn

Well, there is one thing to remember, a saying my great grandmother would say to my father...never trust a Norwean.

Yes that was supposed to be a joke.

I had a Norwegian American teacher who liked to say...Out of the reeds ran a thousand Swedes chased by one Norwegian.
In my earlier post I referred to circumstances where I live, and I have only experienced parts of them as we are not supposed to spend time in the city center. I may have seemed conceited, it was not my intention.

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@Torunn

You have been nothing but gracious.


@eladar said
@Torunn

You have been nothing but gracious.
Thank you.