Obama 'suspected' that Awlaki was in Yemen spying , so ordered a drone strike, killing his 16 year old son. Obama was not called a murderer. And he had only suspected. No proof. No transparency. Dems hate when we bringthis up. Obama murdered 2 american citizens who had not been charged with crime.
Yet Trump is a murderer, war criminal, yet we are not at war with Venezuala. they said he is violating human rights .He's the worst thing ever, that's all they know but you can't say it's OK that when Obama killed a Muslim man and his son, they had no charges filed against him.
Dems are lost with their ranting unfounded thoughtless raving.
Someone besides Marauder pleae check in, we always know what he is going to say.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhataboutism is a bad thing but you present it as good. Focus on just the one.
Obama 'suspected' that Awlaki was in Yemen spying , so ordered a drone strike, killing his 16 year old son. Obama was not called a murderer. And he had only suspected. No proof. No transparency. Dems hate when we bringthis up. Obama murdered 2 american citizens who had not been charged with crime.
Yet Trump is a murderer, war criminal, yet we are not at war with Ven ...[text shortened]... ughtless raving.
Someone besides Marauder pleae check in, we always know what he is going to say.
Do you support each action, neither action or only one of the actions and why?
@AverageJoe1 saidODS
Obama 'suspected' that Awlaki was in Yemen spying , so ordered a drone strike, killing his 16 year old son. Obama was not called a murderer. And he had only suspected. No proof. No transparency. Dems hate when we bringthis up. Obama murdered 2 american citizens who had not been charged with crime.
Yet Trump is a murderer, war criminal, yet we are not at war with Ven ...[text shortened]... ughtless raving.
Someone besides Marauder pleae check in, we always know what he is going to say.
@wildgrass saidObama got a pass, but y'all find fault with Trump's action.
Whataboutism is a bad thing but you present it as good. Focus on just the one.
Do you support each action, neither action or only one of the actions and why?
My post is clear that you all fault Trump but you never faulted Obama?
Can you just respond to this, we are jjst having fun here.
As to your question, I support Donald's action, he prob had enough to go on. I saw no suitcases in that boat. Curious. And USAy had to have intel, though we know Marauder is mad that they did not share it with us beforehand. Do you know where they were going? Did you care. Ahhhh, but you see, Trump cared, while you were throwing darts with Shav.
I support Obama's action because we have to be safe rather than sorry. Like I always say, I will never be arrested or killed in an off-the-road area of Yemen. If I go there and get killed, I will have been asking for it.
I, being legal, will never be arrested standing next to an illegal in a bad section of town, either. And, I will never mysteriously roar in a boat with nefarious people off the coast of the horrible crime ridden chancey Venezuala. If someone does that, they will BE PUTTING THEMSELVES in danger. I am good at predictions.
@AverageJoe1 saidLOL Obama got a pass? Do you really think that?
Obama got a pass, but y'all find fault with Trump's action.
My post is clear that you all fault Trump but you never faulted Obama?
Can you just respond to this, we are jjst having fun here.
As to your question, I support Donald's action, he prob had enough to go on. I saw no suitcases in that boat. Curious. And USAy had to have intel, though we know Marauder is ...[text shortened]... nezuala. If someone does that, they will BE PUTTING THEMSELVES in danger. I am good at predictions.
That's insanely ridiculous.
@wildgrass saidWell, yes .he only suspected Awakali to be a spy, so he personally said to himself I will kill him, and issued an order to killhim.
LOL Obama got a pass? Do you really think that?
That's insanely ridiculous.
This post points up that yesterday, Trump did the exact same thing. He is being reviled. Murderer!
So, you ask if I ‘think’ Obama was not held accountable, he got a pass. It is a fact, no think on my part.
So, should Trump get a pass too?
@AverageJoe1 saidObama did not get a pass.
Well, yes .he only suspected Awakali to be a spy, so he personally said to himself I will kill him, and issued an order to killhim.
This post points up that yesterday, Trump did the exact same thing. He is being reviled. Murderer!
So, you ask if I ‘think’ Obama was not held accountable, he got a pass. It is a fact, no think on my part.
So, should Trump get a pass too?
I did a quick Google search since this happened 10 years ago. There were hundreds of news articles, left and right wing condemnation. Civil rights groups called it murder. Congress pressed for an investigation, held hearings, and there were multiple concurrent lawsuits and challenges to the legality of targeted killing without due process.
You call that a pass?
@wildgrass said? Don't get so far afield, man. They passed on charging him with murder. Of COURSE they looked into his having done the killing. I certainly expect them to 'look into' what Trump just did.
Obama did not get a pass.
I did a quick Google search since this happened 10 years ago. There were hundreds of news articles, left and right wing condemnation. Civil rights groups called it murder. Congress pressed for an investigation, held hearings, and there were multiple concurrent lawsuits and challenges to the legality of targeted killing without due process.
You call that a pass?
Man, you kids sure hate Trump, you will conjure up any inane point of view. Gotta go, want to turn on yesterday's news to see how much more illegal people he has gotten the hell out of our country, hopefully without having to truck with Marauder's due process. There is nothing due to them, you see.
If an alien walked across the Rio Grande last year, about 12 yards into our country,, and an officer grabbed him, was he entitled to due process, or do you think it was OK to turn him around.??
You will not answer this question. Marauder, you there? Will you ?
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@AverageJoe1 saidThere was an enormous hoopla when obummer did this, which was arguably related to the ongoing conflicts, and the administration spent years justifying the action to the courts and the public. You say he got a pass.
? Don't get so far afield, man. They passed on charging him with murder. Of COURSE they looked into his having done the killing. I certainly expect them to 'look into' what Trump just did.
Man, you kids sure hate Trump, you will conjure up any inane point of view. Gotta go, want to turn on yesterday's news to see how much more illegal people he has gotten the h ...[text shortened]... was OK to turn him around.??
You will not answer this question. Marauder, you there? Will you ?
Here, trump went down to South America, where we are not at war, and killed some folks without trial. He does nothing to justify it except to say "because I can". Unlike al alwaki, this story will go away with the next news cycle, no hearings, no courts, no accountability.
Whataboutism?
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@wildgrass saidSo, in conclusion, two presidents acted on their own in effect, killing their victims totally based on their 'suspicions'. You and I have decided that neither of them were or will be accused of and tried for murder. That is the long and short of it. Any word can be used for the word pass. Why the liberal dissecting???
There was an enormous hoopla when obummer did this, which was arguably related to the ongoing conflicts, and the administration spent years justifying the action to the courts and the public. You say he got a pass.
Here, trump went down to South America, where we are not at war, and killed some folks without trial. He does nothing to justify it except to say "because I c ...[text shortened]... y will go away with the next news cycle, no hearings, no courts, no accountability.
Whataboutism?
You have yet one more post which goes no where. And I love liberal non-reasoning for our entertainment.
A better answer, from post one?? 'Yeah, Joe, you got a point, and I am not one of those libs that hang on, one dancing post after another, when I know you have a point."
PS: Yep, you will join our side soon enough when you see the folly of lib reasoning.
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@AverageJoe1 saidNah. Just calling out all the lies in your OP. You wrote no one called Obama a murderer, even though you can easily find articles from many news sources and statements from the ACLU saying this. You wrote no accountability, but there were multiple lawsuits filed about it, requiring the administration to justify its actions as consistent with wartime efforts. Then you write that trump is being called a war criminal, although his actions in Venezuela have nothing to do with any war declaration.
So, in conclusion, two presidents acted on their own in effect, killing their victims totally based on their 'suspicions'. You and I have decided that neither of them were or will be accused of and tried for murder. That is the long and short of it. Any word can be used for the word pass. Why the liberal dissecting???
You have yet one more post which goes no where. ...[text shortened]... e a point."
PS: Yep, you will join our side soon enough when you see the folly of lib reasoning.
All of these things are lies. You should know that.
@wildgrass saidMethinks you impute too much. Do you think for a second that I know the history of the discontent of Obama's killing? Yes, I said he was 'not called' a murderer (you really got me there, Sue).....when he Was....I hope the populace is gradious to say that AvJoe intended to simply point out that Obama got a pass in the end. He was not tried or convicted of Murder. Golly, even the word pass' did not escape your nitpick methods, shoulda used another word, you say....Sue...
Nah. Just calling out all the lies in your OP. You wrote no one called Obama a murderer, even though you can easily find articles from many news sources and statements from the ACLU saying this. You wrote no accountability, but there were multiple lawsuits filed about it, requiring the administration to justify its actions as consistent with wartime efforts. Then you write ...[text shortened]... have nothing to do with any war declaration.
All of these things are lies. You should know that.
Yes I guess I have to reitereate that we are not at war, but I note that he has been called a War criminal. Why don't you start a really interesting thread on that one, Sonhouse? Jesus
@AverageJoe1 saidLol good for you at least admitting that your original post was a lie.
Methinks you impute too much. Do you think for a second that I know the history of the discontent of Obama's killing? Yes, I said he was 'not called' a murderer (you really got me there, Sue).....when he Was....I hope the populace is gradious to say that AvJoe intended to simply point out that Obama got a pass in the end. He was not tried or convicted of Murder. Golly ...[text shortened]... alled a War criminal. Why don't you start a really interesting thread on that one, Sonhouse? Jesus
@wildgrass saidYes, it definitely qualifies under the liberals’ def of a lie. You nailed me again.
Lol good for you at least admitting that your original post was a lie.
@wildgrass saidWhat was Obamas punishment ?
Nah. Just calling out all the lies in your OP. You wrote no one called Obama a murderer, even though you can easily find articles from many news sources and statements from the ACLU saying this. You wrote no accountability, but there were multiple lawsuits filed about it, requiring the administration to justify its actions as consistent with wartime efforts. Then you write ...[text shortened]... have nothing to do with any war declaration.
All of these things are lies. You should know that.