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  1. Standard member vivify
    rain
    09 Jul '13 15:13 / 1 edit
    And I don't mean as an entertainer, but in terms of his political and social views.

    Recently, Bill's received some criticism for his words about blacks in Ameica:

    http://blackbergtv.com/bill-cosby-does-it-again-but-does-he-go-too-far/

    They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
    I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
    Why you ain’t, …
    Where you is,
    What he drive,
    Where he stay,
    Where he work,
    Who you be…
    And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
    And then I heard the father talk.
    Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
    In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

    People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
    The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
    These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
    $500 sneakers for what?
    And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

    I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
    Where were you when he was 2?
    Where were you when he was 12?
    Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
    And where is the father? Or who is his father?
    People putting their clothes on backward:
    Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
    People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?

    Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
    What part of Africa did this come from??
    We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa …..

    I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
    I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
    With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ……… And all of them are in jail.

    Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
    We have got to take the neighborhood back.
    People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
    We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
    We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
    Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
    We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
    We cannot blame the white people any longer.’
  2. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Jul '13 15:38
    Originally posted by vivify
    And I don't mean as an entertainer, but in terms of his political and social views.

    Recently, Bill's received some criticism for his words about blacks in Ameica:

    http://blackbergtv.com/bill-cosby-does-it-again-but-does-he-go-too-far/

    They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
    I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
    ...[text shortened]... ng each other to a higher standard..
    We cannot blame the white people any longer.’
    He has a point or three.
  3. 09 Jul '13 16:55
    I think Cosby has valid criticism of African American culture. There seems to be a disproportionate interest in long shot professions (athletes and entertainment) and less interest in education and other forms of self investment.

    Obviously not all African-Americans fits the stereotype and it is always dangerous talking about group when there is variety within a group. But I certainly believe that aggregate change will only occur when the focus of many of its members change.
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    09 Jul '13 21:39
    But Bill Cosby isn't talking about the portion of the black community that's gone and lived responsible, productive lives. He's talking about the hoodrats that are shooting up their own neighborhoods in Chicago, the human excrement that would sit on the stoop of the liquor store at 8 AM and throw things at my car as I was driving to class at Rutgers-Camden University, the women who have eight different babies with five different fathers, the fathers that don't get jobs, the people who squandered the incredible work their grandmothers and grandfathers did to gain equal treatment and protection under the law and to integrate American society.

    He's 1000% right, I'm glad he's saying it, I'm tired of excuses for why an entire segment of the American population with two things in common - skin color and living in an urban environment - is unable to contribute to society, and can only take.

    Go ahead, Moon...racist, bigot, blah blah blah...
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    10 Jul '13 00:49
    He is commenting on poverty from a privelaged prespective. His is a typical middle or upper class viewpoint.
  6. 10 Jul '13 01:12
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    He is commenting on poverty from a privelaged prespective. His is a typical middle or upper class viewpoint.
    He earned his privilege.
  7. Standard member empovsun
    Adepto 'er perfectu
    10 Jul '13 02:28
    Originally posted by normbenign
    He earned his privilege.
    that doesn't give him the right to judge the poor just because he came from poverty

    so did i, but i know the difference between environmental factors and racial ones

    that's where bill got it wrong
  8. 10 Jul '13 03:10
    Originally posted by empovsun
    that doesn't give him the right to judge the poor just because he came from poverty

    so did i, but i know the difference between environmental factors and racial ones

    that's where bill got it wrong
    What would give him the right?
  9. Standard member empovsun
    Adepto 'er perfectu
    10 Jul '13 04:05 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by dryhump
    What would give him the right?
    he can say anything he wants

    but he isn't struggling now, or even engaging his old community where he grew up. if he want's the respect with this new generation (that he seems to have a problem with), judging them isn't going to cut it. maybe if he tried to find a solution instead of being an old grumpus, some of us would be more ready to lend an ear
  10. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    10 Jul '13 04:29
    Originally posted by empovsun
    that doesn't give him the right to judge the poor just because he came from poverty

    so did i, but i know the difference between environmental factors and racial ones

    that's where bill got it wrong
    He's not judging the poor. He's judging people who have made catastrophic life choices. And he's right.
  11. Standard member empovsun
    Adepto 'er perfectu
    10 Jul '13 04:36
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    He's not judging the poor. He's judging people who have made catastrophic life choices. And he's right.
    he did say 'lower economic' people which lead me to believe he meant the poor...

    if he only meant knuckleheads then that's fine, but that kind of person is in every social class in society
  12. Standard member caissad4
    Child of the Novelty
    10 Jul '13 06:13
    He is saying what, if someone of a different race said it, people would scream "racist". His assessment is correct.
    Now we need someone of note in the Hispanic community to address this same issue. (Not Aaron Hernandez, lol.)
  13. 10 Jul '13 19:04
    Originally posted by empovsun
    he can say anything he wants

    but he isn't struggling now, or even engaging his old community where he grew up. if he want's the respect with this new generation (that he seems to have a problem with), judging them isn't going to cut it. maybe if he tried to find a solution instead of being an old grumpus, some of us would be more ready to lend an ear
    His piece is all solution. Stop having kids you can't support. That's a solution. Pay attention to the kids you do have. There's another solution. I'm not understanding your point of view.
  14. 11 Jul '13 00:47
    Originally posted by empovsun
    that doesn't give him the right to judge the poor just because he came from poverty

    so did i, but i know the difference between environmental factors and racial ones

    that's where bill got it wrong
    Cosby isn't judging so much as he is saying "You can change. It isn't somebody else's fault."

    In the century between 1865 and 1965, poor blacks experienced blatant discrimination, lynchings, police brutality, but the black family was undamaged. Blacks prospered, joined the middle class, got post graduate degrees, even in the deep South.

    In the latter part of the 20th century, race hustlers, and politicians took on American blacks as mascots, denying them the dignity of self reliance. That is what Cosby is talking about. He knows, because he's 'been there and done that'.
  15. 11 Jul '13 00:55
    Originally posted by caissad4
    He is saying what, if someone of a different race said it, people would scream "racist". His assessment is correct.
    Now we need someone of note in the Hispanic community to address this same issue. (Not Aaron Hernandez, lol.)
    Malcolm X said many of the same things a couple of generations ago.