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No1 marauder has a conspiracy theory that the FDA has access to a nonexistent study that is being suppressed from him. He doesn't want to accept that the redacted Lancet study proves that Hydroxychloroquine (not Chloroquine, not the same thing) is not dangerous.

Show us all the study that does not exist. no1, I am calling you out on your claim of a nonexistent study that you fabricated in desperation to justify a ridiculous double standard. Either a redacted study means something or it doesn't. You don't get to pick and choose which redacted studies are relevant and which are not unless you can prove someone lied. I can do that, you cannot.

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@metal-brain said
No1 marauder has a conspiracy theory that the FDA has access to a nonexistent study that is being suppressed from him. He doesn't want to accept that the redacted Lancet study proves that Hydroxychloroquine (not Chloroquine, not the same thing) is not dangerous.

Show us all the study that does not exist. no1, I am calling you out on your claim of a nonexistent study ...[text shortened]... studies are relevant and which are not unless you can prove someone lied. I can do that, you cannot.
Here's 24 "non-existent" studies in a link I already provided you:

15. Chen J , Ping L , Li L , et al. Preliminary study of hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating common coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients in 2019. Journal of Zhejiang University (Medical Science). 2020. doi:10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03
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16. Chen Z, Hu J, Zhang Z, et al. Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: results of a randomized clinical trial. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 10 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758
GOOGLE SCHOLAR
17. Borba MG, Val FdA, Sampaio VS, et al. Chloroquine diphosphate in two different dosages as adjunctive therapy of hospitalized patients with severe respiratory syndrome in the context of coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) infection: preliminary safety results of a randomized, double-blinded, phase IIb clinical trial (CloroCovid-19 Study). medRxiv. Preprint posted online 16 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424
GOOGLE SCHOLAR
18. Borba MGS , Val FFA , Sampaio VS , et al. CloroCovid-19 Team. Effect of high vs low doses of chloroquine diphosphate as adjunctive therapy for patients hospitalized with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection: a randomized clinical trial. JAMA Netw Open. 2020;3:e208857. [PMID: 32339248] doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2020.8857
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19. Tang W, Cao Z, Han M, et al. Hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: an open-label, randomized, controlled trial. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 7 May 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.10.20060558

"20. Gautret P , Lagier JC , Parola P , et al. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial. Int J Antimicrob Agents. 2020:105949. [PMID: 32205204] doi:10.1016/j.ijantimicag.2020.105949
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21. Barbosa J, Kaitis D, Freedman R, et al. [Clinical outcomes of hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized patients with COVID-19: a quasi-randomized comparative study]. Bibliovid. 12 April 2020. Accessed at https://bibliovid.org/en/clinical-outcomes-of-hydroxychloroquine-in-hospitalized-patients-with-covid-19-a-302 on 26 May 2020.
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22. Mahévas M, Tran VT, Roumier M, et al. No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalized for COVID-19 infection with oxygen requirement: results of a study using routinely collected data to emulate a target trial. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 14 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699
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23. Magagnoli J, Narendran S, Pereira F, et al. Outcomes of hydroxychloroquine usage in United States veterans hospitalized with COVID-19. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 23 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920
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24. Yu B, Wang DW, Li C. Hydroxychloroquine application is associated with a decreased mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 1 May 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379
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25. Mercuro NJ , Yen CF , Shim DJ , et al. Risk of QT interval prolongation associated with use of hydroxychloroquine with or without concomitant azithromycin among hospitalized patients testing positive for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). JAMA Cardiol. 2020. [PMID: 32356863] doi:10.1001/jamacardio.2020.1834
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26. Mallat J, Hamed F, Balkis M, et al. Hydroxychloroquine is associated with slower viral clearance in clinical COVID-19 patients with mild to moderate disease: a retrospective study. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 2 May 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.27.20082180
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27. Membrillo de Novales FJ, Ramírez-Olivencia G, Estébanez M, et al. Early hydroxychloroquine is associated with an increase of survival in COVID-19 patients: an observational study. Preprints. Preprint posted online 6 May 2020. doi:10.20944/preprints202005.0057.v1
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28. Huang M, Li M, Xiao F, et al. Preliminary evidence from a multicenter prospective observational study of the safety and efficacy of chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 4 May 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.26.20081059
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29. Geleris J , Sun Y , Platt J , et al. Observational study of hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized patients with COVID-19. N Engl J Med. 2020. [PMID: 32379955] doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2012410
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30. Gautret P , Lagier JC , Parola P , et al. Clinical and microbiological effect of a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 COVID-19 patients with at least a six-day follow up: a pilot observational study. Travel Med Infect Dis. 2020;34:101663. [PMID: 32289548] doi:10.1016/j.tmaid.2020.101663
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31. Molina JM , Delaugerre C , Le Goff J , et al. No evidence of rapid antiviral clearance or clinical benefit with the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in patients with severe COVID-19 infection [Letter]. Med Mal Infect. 2020;50:384. [PMID: 32240719] doi:10.1016/j.medmal.2020.03.006
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32. Lowe D. The latest hydroxychloroquine data, as of April 11. Science Translational Medicine. 11 April 2020. Accessed at https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/11/the-latest-hydroxychloroquine-data-as-of-april-11 on 12 April 2020.
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33. Chorin E, Dai M, Shulman E, et al. The QT interval in patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection treated with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 3 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.02.20047050
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34. Bessière F , Roccia H , Delinière A , et al. Assessment of QT intervals in a case series of patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection treated with hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin in an intensive care unit. JAMA Cardiol. 2020. [PMID: 32356858] doi:10.1001/jamacardio.2020.1787
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35. Ramireddy A, Chugh HS, Reinier K, et al. Experience with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in the COVID-19 pandemic: implications for QT interval monitoring. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 25 April 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.22.20075671
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36. Chorin E, Wadhwani L, Magnani S, et al. QT interval prolongation and torsade de pointes in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 1 May 2020. doi:10.1101/2020.04.27.20074583
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37. Saleh M , Gabriels J , Chang D , et al. The effect of chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin on the corrected QT interval in patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection. Circ Arrhythm Electrophysiol. 2020. [PMID: 32347743] doi:10.1161/CIRCEP.120.008662
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38. van den Broek MPH , Möhlmann JE , Abeln BGS , et al. Chloroquine-induced QTc prolongation in COVID-19 patients. Neth Heart J. 2020. [PMID: 32350818] doi:10.1007/s12471-020-01429-7"

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2496

Go to the "Results" section and then click on the Footnote numbers.

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@metal-brain said
No1 marauder has a conspiracy theory that the FDA has access to a nonexistent study that is being suppressed from him. He doesn't want to accept that the redacted Lancet study proves that Hydroxychloroquine (not Chloroquine, not the same thing) is not dangerous.

Show us all the study that does not exist. no1, I am calling you out on your claim of a nonexistent study ...[text shortened]... studies are relevant and which are not unless you can prove someone lied. I can do that, you cannot.
So:

LMFAO!

You might want to remove your post if you have any sense of embarrassment.

And BTW, stop trying to move the goalposts; the issue wasn't whether "Hydroxychloroquine is not dangerous" but whether it was an effective treatment for those with COVID19.

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@no1marauder said
Here's 24 "non-existent" studies in a link I already provided you:

15. Chen J , Ping L , Li L , et al. Preliminary study of hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating common coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients in 2019. Journal of Zhejiang University (Medical Science). 2020. doi:10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03
CROSSREF
GOOGLE SCHOLAR
16. Chen Z, Hu J, Zhang Z, ...[text shortened]... nals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2496

Go to the "Results" section and then click on the Footnote numbers.
The link I posted proves all of that wrong. The Lancet study was redacted!
Do you care to make a bet on this?
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@metal-brain said
The link I posted proves all of that wrong. The Lancet study was redacted!
Do you care to make a bet on this?
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Ha ha ha.

So what if the Lancet study was redacted? These studies have nothing to do with that study and I never relied on it.

Will you admit you lied when you claimed I had no studies supporting my position and just made something up?

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@no1marauder said
Ha ha ha.

So what if the Lancet study was redacted? These studies have nothing to do with that study and I never relied on it.

Will you admit you lied when you claimed I had no studies supporting my position and just made something up?
They are invalid studies and I proved that. Remember the article by Hatfill? He is the same person Mueller went on a witch hunt attempting to falsely convict him of the anthrax attack. You have bit off more than you can chew.

The link you provided even included a Chloroquine study. That is NOT Hydroxychloroquine! But hey, they were desperate and needed to include a different drug to.......well.......mislead people that don't know the bloody difference.

You are making a fool of yourself by lying. I'm calling you out on it. Post a study one by one and I will debunk them one by one. They are all designed to mislead.

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@no1marauder said
Here's 24 "non-existent" studies in a link I already provided you:

15. Chen J , Ping L , Li L , et al. Preliminary study of hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating common coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients in 2019. Journal of Zhejiang University (Medical Science). 2020. doi:10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03
CROSSREF
GOOGLE SCHOLAR
16. Chen Z, Hu J, Zhang Z, ...[text shortened]... nals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2496

Go to the "Results" section and then click on the Footnote numbers.
WTH is a "GOOGLE SCHOLAR"?

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@no1marauder said
Here's 24 "non-existent" studies in a link I already provided you:

15. Chen J , Ping L , Li L , et al. Preliminary study of hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating common coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients in 2019. Journal of Zhejiang University (Medical Science). 2020. doi:10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03
CROSSREF
GOOGLE SCHOLAR
16. Chen Z, Hu J, Zhang Z, ...[text shortened]... nals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2496

Go to the "Results" section and then click on the Footnote numbers.
Hey, its me, AvJoe. I’m going right there.

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Hydroxychloriquine was given to troops in Vietnam to ward off malaria. They allowed us to self medicate by leaving a big bottle of the stuff in the chow hall with a note that said to take one a week. I never had a problem and never heard of anyone having any ill effects. Stuff has been used worldwide for over 70 years and no claims were ever made about it being harmful until the media came along and denounced it just because Trump liked it.

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@dood111 said
Hydroxychloriquine was given to troops in Vietnam to ward off malaria. They allowed us to self medicate by leaving a big bottle of the stuff in the chow hall with a note that said to take one a week. I never had a problem and never heard of anyone having any ill effects. Stuff has been used worldwide for over 70 years and no claims were ever made about it being harmful until the media came along and denounced it just because Trump liked it.
No one claimed it was "dangerous"; it is FDA approved for malaria and some auto-immune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis). https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

There is insufficient scientific evidence that it is effective against COVID19, however, and the FDA has declined to approve it for that purpose. The WHO agrees with that evaluation.

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@no1marauder said
No one claimed it was "dangerous"; it is FDA approved for malaria and some auto-immune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis). https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

There is insufficient scientific evidence that it is effective against COVID19, however, and the FDA has declined to approve it for that purpose. The WHO agrees with that evaluation.
"There is insufficient scientific evidence that it is effective against COVID19"

That is false! You have been duped by liars and you know they are liars. Now you are making up lame excuses for the liars.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/study-finds-84-fewer-hospitalizations-for-patients-treated-with-controversial-drug-hydroxychloroquine

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/3/peer-reviewed-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-effec/

https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

"No one claimed it was "dangerous"

That is an obvious false statement. The retracted Lancet study claimed just that. You are making a fool of yourself.

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@metal-brain said
"There is insufficient scientific evidence that it is effective against COVID19"

That is false! You have been duped by liars and you know they are liars. Now you are making up lame excuses for the liars.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/study-finds-84-fewer-hospitalizations-for-patients-treated-with-controversial-drug-hydroxychloroquine

https://www.washing ...[text shortened]... us false statement. The retracted Lancet study claimed just that. You are making a fool of yourself.
Here's the "liars" at the American College of Physicians:

" The newly available evidence has high risk of bias and showed conflicting direction and magnitude of results, leading to unchanged conclusions from the initial review with insufficient evidence to support the effectiveness or safety of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients."

"Do not use chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin as prophylaxis against COVID-19.
Do not use chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin as a treatment of patients with COVID-19."

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/L20-1007

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More "liars" at the Infectious Diseases Society of America:

"Recommendation 1: Among patients with COVID-19, the IDSA guideline panel recommends against hydroxychloroquine. (Strong recommendation, Moderate certainty of evidence)"

"Recommendation 2: Among hospitalized patients with COVID-19, the IDSA guideline panel recommends against hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin. (Strong recommendation, Low certainty of evidence)"

https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/

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@metal-brain said
The link I posted proves all of that wrong. The Lancet study was redacted!
Do you care to make a bet on this?
Yes or no?
same argument used by anti-vaxxers.
1 million studies proving vaccines are safe. 1 study saying vaccines cause autism.
Anti-vaxxers: "I KNEW IT!!!!"

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