Why herd immunity to COVID is no longer possible

@no1marauder

If you do not like flu seasons, then from May to May. It is still just 60k deaths per may up to May cycle over the past two years.

Those kinds of numbers are not worth all the hype we have had over the same time period.

@sh76 said
I said I'd do this in another thread, but I'll try to make this as short as possible.

The herd immunity threshold is 1 - 1/r where r is the spread rate. As a simple example, if r is 2 (meaning each infected person infects 2 others on average), then the HIT is 1 - 1/2 = 50%. If 50% of the people are immune, then one of the 2 people to whom an average person would spready it to ...[text shortened]... s being stressed in a given area), non-pharmaceutic interventions merely kick the can down the road.

@zahlanzi said
stop your whining you snowflake and get the damn vaccine

@eladar said
@no1marauder

If you do not like flu seasons, then from May to May. It is still just 60k deaths per may up to May cycle over the past two years.

Those kinds of numbers are not worth all the hype we have had over the same time period.

@no1marauder said
WTF?

From the end of May 2020 to the end of May 2021, there were 500,000 COVID deaths in the US. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

@eladar said
I was talking about those who were not elderly.

@sh76 said
Do flu deaths count the elderly?

@sh76 said
I said I'd do this in another thread, but I'll try to make this as short as possible.

The herd immunity threshold is 1 - 1/r where r is the spread rate. As a simple example, if r is 2 (meaning each infected person infects 2 others on average), then the HIT is 1 - 1/2 = 50%. If 50% of the people are immune, then one of the 2 people to whom an average person would spready it to ...[text shortened]... s being stressed in a given area), non-pharmaceutic interventions merely kick the can down the road.

@no1marauder said
Like most of Eladar's COVID claims, the idea that most of those who died from the disease would have died shortly anyway has been throughly debunked.

In fact, the death rate in the US increased by 15% in 2020 almost exactly mirroring the number of COVID19 fatalities.https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/03/10/cdc-finds-covid-19-drove-15-percent-spike-in-death-rate-475219

@no1marauder said
No, I pointed out it was a lie.

A) Flu seasons are irrelevant as far as COVID;

B) The peak of the 2021 flu season was over before COVID started killing in large numbers;

C) And 600,000 died (so far) from COVID. If flu deaths were counted like COVID ones were, they'd be a tiny fraction of that number even IF we used your faulty methodology and used two flu seasons ...[text shortened]... erican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

@shavixmir said
With herd immunity they mean that nobody’s getting seriously sick from it anymore.

It’s like a flu or a common cold. True herd immunity is, indeed, very unlikely.

So, completely different to, say, smallpox, which could be completely eradicated by vaccination (smallpox was comabatted by chickenpox, has DNA and because of this a slow mutation rate… even though it could evolve rapidly).

@sh76 said
Geez.

Your attention span was never your strong point, but this is a ditzy comment, even for you (and that's saying something).

@metal-brain said
No, herd immunity means you do not get the virus and spread it to others. Just because most are not getting sick doesn't mean they are not infected and spreading the virus to others.

@shavixmir said
With herd immunity they mean that nobody’s getting seriously sick from it anymore.

It’s like a flu or a common cold. True herd immunity is, indeed, very unlikely.

So, completely different to, say, smallpox, which could be completely eradicated by vaccination (smallpox was comabatted by chickenpox, has DNA and because of this a slow mutation rate… even though it could evolve rapidly).

@shavixmir said
Yes. And if nobody is getting sick, then it's a moot thing, isn't it?

Moron.