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    An analysis on how Bernie Sanders could be the best democratic candidate to capture republican votes.

    The main idea is that americans overwhelmingly (according to a study, details are in the video) agree with Sanders on main socialist issues like fair trade policies that protect workers, environment (75😵, debt-free college (71😵, infrastructure spending program that will create jobs and repair america's crumbling infrastructure(71😵, expanding social security (70% ), raising taxes on the rich to Reagan levels (59😵.

    details in the video.

    the main idea is that if you ask republicans about specific issues, many will actually go with socialist measures.
  2. Germany
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    22 Dec '15 11:29
    Unfortunately Americans will not be voting on specific issues but for people.
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    22 Dec '15 11:38
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Unfortunately Americans will not be voting on specific issues but for people.
    Actually a lot of americans vote for a party. I have talked to americans that believe party affiliation is a family thing ie they vote republican because that's what their parents did.

    You are correct about many people voting for a person and I too would think twice before voting for Bernie despite preferring most of his policies to Clintons. However he seems a bit wishy washy about international relations and just doesn't look presidential.
    One would like to think that politics should be about policies and not personalities and the US has done a much better job of this than some other countries, but it is far from perfect. There are countries where most people don't even know who the president (or equivalent) is.
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    22 Dec '15 16:32
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Unfortunately Americans will not be voting on specific issues but for people.
    bernie is an independent and consistently liberal.


    there are many conservatives in vermont that did elect him because they agreed with certain of his stances.


    americans must look at him and decide what is more important to them, a living minimum wage or that the gays don't marry. if it is more important to have free education and healthcare or an even bigger military. if it is more important that the rich get even more tax breaks or that tax loopholes be closed.
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    22 Dec '15 16:51
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    bernie is an independent and consistently liberal.


    there are many conservatives in vermont that did elect him because they agreed with certain of his stances.


    americans must look at him and decide what is more important to them, a living minimum wage or that the gays don't marry. if it is more important to have free education and healthcare or an ...[text shortened]... if it is more important that the rich get even more tax breaks or that tax loopholes be closed.
    People tend to vote for politicians that promise them something. The "What's in it for me?" vote. There is a lot of socialist in everyone.
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    22 Dec '15 16:52
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    bernie is an independent and consistently liberal.


    there are many conservatives in vermont that did elect him because they agreed with certain of his stances.


    americans must look at him and decide what is more important to them, a living minimum wage or that the gays don't marry. if it is more important to have free education and healthcare or an ...[text shortened]... if it is more important that the rich get even more tax breaks or that tax loopholes be closed.
    I personally am pro choice/ pro gay rights and I believe there are a lot of people like myself who tend to vote Republican but would deviate from that party if they could find someone who is economically conservative (would stop expanding government and billing the public for equalization projects. A socialist certain does not appeal to this group.
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    22 Dec '15 16:52
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Actually a lot of americans vote for a party. I have talked to americans that believe party affiliation is a family thing ie they vote republican because that's what their parents did.

    You are correct about many people voting for a person and I too would think twice before voting for Bernie despite preferring most of his policies to Clintons. However h ...[text shortened]... ect. There are countries where most people don't even know who the president (or equivalent) is.
    People are tribal animals, and they like to think in terms of a herd mentality. Even in multi-party systems it is hard for people to let go of the left-right-dichotomy. I suppose thinking for yourself is just too much of a burden on most people (obviously, this is why religion is still around). I am not affiliated with any political ideology, religion, nationality, ethnicity or, most importantly, sports team.
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    22 Dec '15 17:05
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    People are tribal animals, and they like to think in terms of a herd mentality. Even in multi-party systems it is hard for people to let go of the left-right-dichotomy.
    For this reason the whole party and election system is fundamentally flawed as far as actually getting peoples opinions on how they want to be governed. A much better system would include ongoing collection of opinion regarding specific issues regardless of who is in office to actually carry them out. In reality some of this does take place but is overshadowed by the whole election cycle drama and mostly utilized by those who have a major stake in the game (and the money to pay for the effort to provide the input, also known as lobbying in the US).
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    22 Dec '15 17:25
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwDY2rO9lWM


    An analysis on how Bernie Sanders could be the best democratic candidate to capture republican votes.

    The main idea is that americans overwhelmingly (according to a study, details are in the video) agree with Sanders on main socialist issues like fair trade policies that protect workers, environment (75😵 ...[text shortened]... at if you ask republicans about specific issues, many will actually go with socialist measures.
    Why leftists are idiots.
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    22 Dec '15 18:13
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why leftists are idiots.
    don't worry, when i said republicans i wasn't speaking for you.

    you are not a republican.
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    22 Dec '15 18:21
    Originally posted by quackquack
    I personally am pro choice/ pro gay rights and I believe there are a lot of people like myself who tend to vote Republican but would deviate from that party if they could find someone who is economically conservative (would stop expanding government and billing the public for equalization projects. A socialist certain does not appeal to this group.
    " A socialist certain does not appeal to this group"
    really? do you understand much about socialism? that there are right ways to implement it? that it is not synonimous with reckless spending?

    someone who has socialized healthcare might be healthier. therefore might be working better and harder. therefore might be getting fewer sick days, or not be inclined to work poorly while under a 39 degree fever. such a person might not file for bankruptcy because he got sick one time and now he has no way of paying his hospital bill.

    socialism can allow a smart dirt poor young man or woman to go to college, get a good job, rise up from poverty and give back to society.


    what is this notion that absolutely demands that giving tax money to military budget and tax cuts for the super rich is smart capitalism or smart whatever but investing in one's citizens is reckless spending?

    do you enjoy being billed for expanding a military already obscenely prohibitive but feel uncomfortable being billed to fix that bridge that is about to collapse?
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    22 Dec '15 18:24
    Originally posted by normbenign
    People tend to vote for politicians that promise them something. The "What's in it for me?" vote. There is a lot of socialist in everyone.
    of course you vote for someone who promises you something. that's the point.

    you use your intelligence to distinguish the one who promises you idiotic things like "i will solve terrorism by not allowing the terrorists dumb enough to answer yes to "are you a muslim" into the country" from the one who promises you that taxing you x% will ultimately lead to a better life.
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    22 Dec '15 18:40
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    don't worry, when i said republicans i wasn't speaking for you.

    you are not a republican.
    Actually, I am a registered Republican. I just don't see the point in changing it.
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    22 Dec '15 22:24
    Originally posted by normbenign
    People tend to vote for politicians that promise them something. The "What's in it for me?" vote. There is a lot of socialist in everyone.
    The more selfish people are the better the Democrats look. When you realize nothing is
    free then the Republicans look better.
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    22 Dec '15 22:33
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    The more selfish people are the better the Democrats look. When you realize nothing is
    free then the Republicans look better.
    Yes the average person is "selfish" while the economic elite that Republican policies favor are true bastions of individual self-reliance.
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