@spruce112358 saidYou and no1 seem blissfully unaware of all the mere jokes, satire, and important things that we now know to be true that would would get you censored, shadow banned, or kicked off of Facebook and other platforms during the last few years. After all the BS Zuckie has pulled I doubt his sincerity on this topic very much, but even if he's just aligning himself to new political realities or just a mini-Musk wannabe, this is a step in the right direction. Free speech, bitches. You two are very disappointing.
You are forking censored on this forking platform you son of a beech. And yet you seem to be OK with it. 😆
You must be a fascist leftist! 😆
Censoring adds value to online conversations on private platforms where both civility and rationality might otherwise deteriorate.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidOh boy what a world where fact checking gets confused with censorship.
you libs are losing your censorship guys arent you? 😂
Y'all are snowflakes. Must be nice to grow up in a world where everyones opinion is considered true.
Fact checking adds information, it doesn't censor.
Meanwhile musks Twitter bans more accounts than ever.
https://fortune.com/2024/09/25/twitter-x-account-suspensions-triple-transparency-report-elon-musk/
@spruce112358 saidSo here we have Spruce, sliding in the word inaccurate for what it really is, a lie. Why does it take about 5 sentences to say lying is bad. Some inaccuracies are not deliberate.
I don’t hate free speech. 😆
I dislike inaccuracy.
I frown on lying most of the time.
I really hate purposely lying in order to manipulate. 😆
Libertarians are generally intolerant of ‘force and fraud’ - fraud is lying.
So if someone says something, consider the source, believe them or not, travel at your own risk, you have no one else to blame, and so on and so forth.
If I open one of these platforms, and call it AvJoeBook and you join it, there you are. All alone with AvJoeBook. Or, it could be Sonhousebook.
So Sonhouse and I, or people who join , just say things all day, how to cook, here is a pic of me hiking, or Trump has an illegitimate child, take it all for what it is worth, or discount it, or if a guy says send him some money and you do, that it is life. Or his an idea.....don't join this idiot 'books'.
What is all the whining about, I truly just do not get it. I am not in favor of the govt deciding who is right and who is wrong, as Long AS it is all within legal limits. Leave these geniuses the hell alone so we can catapult on into the 21st century! Well some of us.... 🙂
@wildgrass saidI guess you missed zukerburgs interview when he said the biden cabal demanded FB take down true statements...
Oh boy what a world where fact checking gets confused with censorship.
Y'all are snowflakes. Must be nice to grow up in a world where everyones opinion is considered true.
Fact checking adds information, it doesn't censor.
Meanwhile musks Twitter bans more accounts than ever.
https://fortune.com/2024/09/25/twitter-x-account-suspensions-triple-transparency-report-elon-musk/
@Mott-The-Hoople saidYah I heard it. What's yer point?
I guess you missed zukerburgs interview when he said the biden cabal demanded FB take down true statements...
The major change Zuck announced was less speech, not more. Get rid of fact checkers so y'all can keep living in your bubble uninterrupted. The user community notes will replace it, like what Twitter did.
But Twitter also bans 3x more accounts now than they did before musk.
@wildgrass saidso you have no comment on biden censoring Americans that were speaking the truth?
Yah I heard it. What's yer point?
The major change Zuck announced was less speech, not more. Get rid of fact checkers so y'all can keep living in your bubble uninterrupted. The user community notes will replace it, like what Twitter did.
But Twitter also bans 3x more accounts now than they did before musk.
@no1marauder saidThe Daily Wire's Facebook reach decreased more than 90% over the course of 2021. they didn't suddenly become less popular. They were artificially suppressed.
Perhaps you could explain how fact checking is an infringement on "free speech".
I doubt it though.
Zuckerberg admitted that these sorts of steps were taken at government instigation.
That's infringing free speech.
@wildgrass saidThis wasn't fact checking. It was demonetization, shadow banning and hiding content from people's feeds. YouTube, Facebook and Twitter all engaged in these practices at government instigation.
Oh boy what a world where fact checking gets confused with censorship.
Y'all are snowflakes. Must be nice to grow up in a world where everyones opinion is considered true.
Fact checking adds information, it doesn't censor.
Meanwhile musks Twitter bans more accounts than ever.
https://fortune.com/2024/09/25/twitter-x-account-suspensions-triple-transparency-report-elon-musk/
Perfectly respectable and highly professional people like Jay Battacharya had their accounts suppressed drastically merely because they didn't toe the line of the
liberal Orthodoxy.
Gaslighting everyone by claiming it was merely fact checking is not going to work. We were there. We saw it happen.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidBiden did not censor any Americans. 😆
so you have no comment on biden censoring Americans that were speaking the truth?
Censorship involves PREVENTING information from being published. The Biden administration did not prevent Facebook from publishing anything because that would be unconstitutional.
They ASKED Facebook not to publish certain misinformation and Facebook complied. And now Zuck says he regrets complying. Or regrets the manner in which he complied. OK - whatever.
Do better next time I guess. This is all on you, Zuckerberg. 😆
@sh76 saidOnly if the government takes the posts down. 😆
That's infringing free speech.
The government did not take anything down because they do not control FB. Government suggested that FB take some posts down in the interests of public safety.
FB did, but they didn't have to. As we see from Twitter and other websites today, there is nothing FedGov can do about it. 😆
@sh76 saidThose are private platforms that can publish what they wish. Jay should take it up with them. 😆
This wasn't fact checking. It was demonetization, shadow banning and hiding content from people's feeds. YouTube, Facebook and Twitter all engaged in these practices at government instigation.
Perfectly respectable and highly professional people like Jay Battacharya had their accounts suppressed drastically merely because they didn't toe the line of the
liberal Orthodoxy. ...[text shortened]... ryone by claiming it was merely fact checking is not going to work. We were there. We saw it happen.
@sh76 saidNo one's gaslighting. We agree of course. Shadowbanning is bad. Big tech shouldn't do that.
This wasn't fact checking. It was demonetization, shadow banning and hiding content from people's feeds. YouTube, Facebook and Twitter all engaged in these practices at government instigation.
Perfectly respectable and highly professional people like Jay Battacharya had their accounts suppressed drastically merely because they didn't toe the line of the
liberal Orthodoxy. ...[text shortened]... ryone by claiming it was merely fact checking is not going to work. We were there. We saw it happen.
Mark Z talked about ending fact checking, not that other stuff. Shadowbanning will continue, as it does currently everywhere.
As a reminder, there was nothing in the Twitter files that any of the shadowbanning, algorithm tricks were bad for conservative voices overall.
Looking at millions of tweets in seven countries – Britain, America, Canada, France, Germany, Spain and Japan – researchers found that, with the exception of Germany, Twitter algorithms amplified rightwing politicians more than the left. They also found that in America, conservative news sources were boosted more than liberal ones
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/01/the-twitter-files-should-disturb-liberal-critics-of-elon-musk-and-heres-why
@sh76 saidSome posts get boosted, some don't. That's decided by the owners of the platform. NOT the Federal government. 😆
I remember when, all of a sudden, after months of following them, it was suddenly impossible to find content by people like Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff in 2021 on Twitter unless you searched directly for their names, often multiple times.
Don't tell me it didn't happen. Please.
The Feds might have an opinion about what should happen esp. when it involves the public interest. And they might communicate that - sure. Why not? They can do that. 😆
@wildgrass saidThe Guardian (which is not just liberal - it's hyper-liberal) is naturally going to amplify any data point that fits it's narrative, and any one particular study done by people in Berkeley and Cambridge is hardly reliable as an end-all.
No one's gaslighting. We agree of course. Shadowbanning is bad. Big tech shouldn't do that.
Mark Z talked about ending fact checking, not that other stuff. Shadowbanning will continue, as it does currently everywhere.
As a reminder, there was nothing in the Twitter files that any of the shadowbanning, algorithm tricks were bad for conservative voices overall.
[quote] ...[text shortened]... ommentisfree/2023/jan/01/the-twitter-files-should-disturb-liberal-critics-of-elon-musk-and-heres-why
But regardless of whether that's true in the broader sense, it is a fact that government agencies browbeat social media to toe the PC Orthodoxy on covid to the extent that all major platforms suppressed the Wuhan lab leak theory, any suggestion that lockdowns were not the best idea, the efficacy of masks and the possibility that it might not be necessary to force 20 years olds who already had covid to get fully vaxxed.
I'm not saying you're doing this, but I am 100% sure that anyone who claims these things never happened is either ignorant or gaslighting.