14 Jul 15
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. Some said it was The End of the World as We Know It, others that it would be nothing but a few minor glitches. Heated debates ensued complete with foul language. The interesting part is that this was one debate where one side was proved right and the other proved wrong. You can still find some of the debate if you're good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
Originally posted by techsouthI was but I can't seem to archive any of my computer records before January 1, 2000 for some strange reason.
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. ...[text shortened]... good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
Originally posted by techsouthAs most of us here I'm sure, I remember it well. The debates were fierce years before the event, but in the last days and months, most people were convinced that little, of anything, was going to happen. My mother filled her basement with bottled water, canned tuna and flashlight batteries on the "better safe than sorry" theory and I well remember teasing her about it for months before 1/1/00.
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. ...[text shortened]... good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
On the positive side, she made a lot of tuna casserole in the first half of 2000.
Originally posted by techsouthMy youngest son, who has a genius I.Q, 187, was still in High School at that time and we had a computer mainly for him for his school work. He spent a lot of time on the internet at that time, but I did very little with the computer then. I remember he had a patch for it so that it would not effect our computer. So he wasn't worried about it after that since he reasoned everyone could get a patch until they got new computers and upgraded software.
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. ...[text shortened]... good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
14 Jul 15
Originally posted by techsouthI remember it well, and I remember a lot of people doing more than I did to prepare. I have great respect for preppers, regardless of what they are prepping for, because if the worst doesn't happen, they can still use what they've saved. When the worst does happen, the sorry fools who never believe anything will happen will be the first to die in food riots.
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. ...[text shortened]... good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
17 Jul 15
Originally posted by normbenignIf you actually believed your own argument, you would be a prepper too.
I remember it well, and I remember a lot of people doing more than I did to prepare. I have great respect for preppers, regardless of what they are prepping for, because if the worst doesn't happen, they can still use what they've saved. When the worst does happen, the sorry fools who never believe anything will happen will be the first to die in food riots.
17 Jul 15
Originally posted by techsouthBut which side? Do you realise that the people who got it right were the people who said 'if we don't do anything, many systems will fail'? Most major systems did not fail, because we did something.
The interesting part is that this was one debate where one side was proved right and the other proved wrong.
17 Jul 15
Originally posted by RJHindsHe "got a patch for it"!?? Your IQ:187 son reasoned that every piece of software that naively stores only the last 2 digits of a 4 digit date would have been remedied by this one measly little patch!?
My youngest son, who has a genius I.Q, 187, was still in High School at that time and we had a computer mainly for him for his school work. He spent a lot of time on the internet at that time, but I did very little with the computer then. I remember he had a patch for it so that it would not effect our computer. So he wasn't worried about it after that since he reasoned everyone could get a patch until they got new computers and upgraded software.
17 Jul 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadI don't recall that being a major fissure in the debate. From the mid 90s I don't recall anyone suggesting we do nothing.
But which side? Do you realise that the people who got it right were the people who said 'if we don't do anything, many systems will fail'? Most major systems did not fail, because we did something.
The bitter debate, complete with cursing was between those who thought that based on what was being done, the rollover would be no big deal and those that thought it was already too late to prevent "the end of the world as we know it". Those in the first group were called "Pollyannas". The second group predicted the power grid would fail, the banks would fail, the phone system would fail, cars wouldn't start, planes would crash, etc.
Go back and find some of the discussions. I don't think you'll find anyone who suggested we do nothing.
17 Jul 15
Originally posted by techsouthThe threat is not Y2K I tell ya, it's global warming.
I've been thinking about this lately. Most all major debates are never going to be settled. Are Conservatives ruining America, or is it Liberals? Doesn't matter how bad things get, Conservatives will blame Liberals and Liberals will blame conservatives.
In our lifetime, the Y2K problem was interesting in that in the late 90s there was heated debate. ...[text shortened]... good enough with google.
Was anyone around and engaged in that debate or have memories of it?
We are all gonna die!! 😲
Originally posted by AgergI didn't understand it like my son, but as I understood it, the patch program was to correct the computer processor clock or the main clock and date that would control the time and date for Microsoft Windows. I think that was the main problem, but I could be wrong. But anyway I trusted that he knew what he was saying and so I wasn't worried about it either. Whether or not there was any additional problems with other software that this would not correct, I am not sure. But anyway we never had any problems.
He "got a patch for it"!?? Your IQ:187 son reasoned that every piece of software that naively stores only the last 2 digits of a 4 digit date would have been remedied by this one measly little patch!?
He used to fix computer for other people and one time a friend of my wife got him to fix a problem with the computer system at the real estate company she worked for because the computer company they called was unable to fix it. The owner of the real estate company offered him a job, but he was still in high school at the time and was not interested in working for them anyway.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadNo, most major systems did not fail because by the time the press, politicians and middle managers started panicking, stockpiling toilet paper, and buying Y2K-proof cable ties, us programmers had already done something about it years before. I know this, because I was one of the people doing the solving, several years before Y2K started appearing in the news and my managers (who had, those years before, whinged about my measures to fix Y2K) started bugging me about doing something about "this Y2K thing". Many eyes were rolled.
But which side? Do you realise that the people who got it right were the people who said 'if we don't do anything, many systems will fail'? Most major systems did not fail, because we did something.
The debate was between a load of panic-mongering ignoramuses, and those who knew the problem was already mostly solved by the time the debate happened.
23 Jul 15
Originally posted by Shallow BlueAustralia had a big rewrite program going, and almost everyone had their old code replaced by the expected date. One exception was our biggest health fund, which sent out a mail shot to half a million people with strange dates on it which made a nonsense of the contents. As a result they had to do a second mail shot 24 hours later, blowing their communication budget for months. There were a few other minor things, like security codes which had to be manually over-ruled for a week, but generally the programmers got it all done in time.
No, most major systems did not fail because by the time the press, politicians and middle managers started panicking, stockpiling toilet paper, and buying Y2K-proof cable ties, us programmers had already done something about it years before. I know this, because I was one of the people doing the solving, several years before Y2K started appearing ...[text shortened]... muses, and those who knew the problem was already mostly solved by the time the debate happened.
Management where I worked didn't panic, the panics were all at the lower levels where people didn't understand the nature of the problem, or were fooled by a disaster-preaching public media campaign.