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    21 Jul '18 12:00
    The interview is conducted by a member of the ultra right wing John birch Society. While I feel Bezmenov confuses democratic socialism as it exists in northern European countries and Canada, nations with a far higher standard of living than the U.S.A., with Marxism/Leninism communism, his outline of long term Russian goals and the role of the KGB in implementing them is quite shocking. Skim the article and watch the 13 minute interview at the end.
    https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today
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    21 Jul '18 14:50
    Originally posted by @phranny
    The interview is conducted by a member of the ultra right wing John birch Society. While I feel Bezmenov confuses democratic socialism as it exists in northern European countries and Canada, nations with a far higher standard of living than the U.S.A., with Marxism/Leninism communism, his outline of long term Russian goals and the role of the KGB in impleme ...[text shortened]... the end.
    https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today
    As a Canadian, I don't consider Canada a Socialist country.

    The perception is that the hard right in America considers everything that doesn't fit their views must be socialist.

    Rather narrow minded.
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    21 Jul '18 15:21
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    As a Canadian, I don't consider Canada a Socialist country.

    The perception is that the hard right in America considers everything that doesn't fit their views must be socialist.

    Rather narrow minded.
    Yeah well most liberals consider themselves moderate. Your social dictatorship of religious beliefs allowed in society are repulsive.
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    21 Jul '18 15:34
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    As a Canadian, I don't consider Canada a Socialist country.

    The perception is that the hard right in America considers everything that doesn't fit their views must be socialist.

    Rather narrow minded.
    The means of production in Canada and northern European countries is generally not owned by the government. Rather the government protects middle class/working class interests through universal health care and strong minimum wages. Access to quality education is not tied to property taxes, a system in the U.S. that leads to wealthier areas having significantly higher quality primary and secondary education.Individuals with ambition and intellect in Canada and northern Europe have easier access to higher education than U.S. students. Currently the government in the U.S. tends to economically favor those who are already wealthy via tax cuts and laws that favor this class.
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    21 Jul '18 15:54
    Originally posted by @phranny
    The interview is conducted by a member of the ultra right wing John birch Society. While I feel Bezmenov confuses democratic socialism as it exists in northern European countries and Canada, nations with a far higher standard of living than the U.S.A., with Marxism/Leninism communism, his outline of long term Russian goals and the role of the KGB in impleme ...[text shortened]... the end.
    https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today
    That was an uncanny prediction of what's actually occurred.
    The irony of it being stated and filmed in "1984" isn't lost upon me either.

    Thanks for posting that. 🙂
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    21 Jul '18 16:20
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Yeah well most liberals consider themselves moderate. Your social dictatorship of religious beliefs allowed in society are repulsive.
    What? Canada is a “social dictatorship of religious beliefs” ??? Please explain.
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    21 Jul '18 16:211 edit
    Originally posted by @phranny
    What? Canada is a “social dictatorship of religious beliefs” ??? Please explain.
    Say out loud that homosexuality is evil and immoral and you can be thrown in jail and have your kids taken from you.
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    21 Jul '18 17:22
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Say out loud that homosexuality is evil and immoral and you can be thrown in jail and have your kids taken from you.
    1984 indeed
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    21 Jul '18 17:521 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Say out loud that homosexuality is evil and immoral and you can be thrown in jail and have your kids taken from you.
    Which is presumably what you really believe. So you think saying that can get you thrown in Jail in Canada? What planet are you from again?
    I don't suppose, if true, it could POSSIBLY have anything to do with human rights and equality for all citizens could it? You think such a situation MUST derive from biblical BS?
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    21 Jul '18 18:52
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Which is presumably what you really believe. So you think saying that can get you thrown in Jail in Canada? What planet are you from again?
    I don't suppose, if true, it could POSSIBLY have anything to do with human rights and equality for all citizens could it? You think such a situation MUST derive from biblical BS?
    It is called hate speech in Canada and is against the law.
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    21 Jul '18 19:06
    https://thinkprogress.org/canadian-supreme-court-upholds-hate-speech-laws-against-anti-gay-activist-144f5cb2170/
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    21 Jul '18 19:29
    Originally posted by @phranny to Mghm55
    The means of production in Canada and northern European countries is generally not owned by the government. Rather the government protects middle class/working class interests through universal health care and strong minimum wages. Access to quality education is not tied to property taxes, a system in the U.S. that leads to wealthier areas having ...[text shortened]... to economically favor those who are already wealthy via tax cuts and laws that favor this class.
    While Canada has a more 'socialist' health care system than the USA, that's not the whole story,
    Canada has a capitalist economy, albeit with a political culture where socialism is more influential.

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Canada-a-capitalist-country-Why-or-why-not
    "Is Canada a capitalist country? Why or why not?"

    "In certain ways, Canada is a more capitalist country than the U.S. Capitalism implies the
    private ownership of means of production, which includes individual human resources and skills.
    Canada has a lower tax rate than the U.S. for the highest earners ..."

    "There are other aspects to what makes a country “capitalist,” but by no means should anyone,
    no matter their economic views, consider Canada to be a Socialist foil to Capitalist America."
    --Adina Cappell
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    21 Jul '18 20:35
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    While Canada has a more 'socialist' health care system than the USA, that's not the whole story,
    Canada has a capitalist economy, albeit with a political culture where socialism is more influential.

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Canada-a-capitalist-country-Why-or-why-not
    "Is Canada a capitalist country? Why or why not?"

    "In certain ways, Canada is a mo ...[text shortened]... economic views, consider Canada to be a Socialist foil to Capitalist America."
    --Adina Cappell
    I never said that Canada's health care system was "the whole story." I also never said that Canada is devoid of capitalism. Capitalism is alive and thriving in Canada and northern Europe. However, banking rules and regulations and other constraints tend to be stronger in Canada and Europe than in the United States where large corporations are allowed to influence legislation. Yes, influence by the rich and powerful undoubtedly goes on in other western countries as well but probably to a far lesser degree. I was hoping there would be more commentary on the thread topic but it seems to be of limited interest.
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    21 Jul '18 20:42
    Originally posted by @phranny
    I never said that Canada's health care system was "the whole story." I also never said that Canada is devoid of capitalism. Capitalism is alive and thriving in Canada and northern Europe. However, banking rules and regulations and other constraints tend to be stronger in Canada and Europe than in the United States where large corporations are allowed to inf ...[text shortened]... oping there would be more commentary on the thread topic but it seems to be of limited interest.
    That is ok when there are economic problems US government money pumped in US banks finds its way to Euro banks probably Canadian banks too.
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    21 Jul '18 21:00
    Originally posted by @eladar
    It is called hate speech in Canada and is against the law.
    What do you call it ??
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