Originally posted by Trev33In a global society you cannot put your head in the sand and pretend you are alone. We have to stay in the EU. Madness to isolate yourself against the might of Germany and the cunning of France. Cameron's fault is to have slagged off both Germany and France in the months leading up to last week's meeting, so that when he asked for a cup of tea they closed ranks. So, in Europe but out of the Euro.
The thing might as well be funded by the Conservative party it's so bias, the Fox news of the British newspapers. Not surprising you think the UK should leave the EU when your head is being filled with that rubbish.
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Originally posted by Pianoman1No, you don't. In fact, please don't. Please get the #@%^# out of our union.
In a global society you cannot put your head in the sand and pretend you are alone. We have to stay in the EU.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the British. Quite the contrary. That's why I want you out. I'd much rather have you lot as a friendly neighbour than as the untrustworthy "friend" you are now. As long as Britain keeps following the Appleby Doctrine, we can't trust perfidious Albion inside, but I'd be most happy to have you next doors.
So, in Europe but out of the Euro.
Nope. That's exactly the perfidity which the rest of us can no longer afford to allow you.
Richard
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Originally posted by Shallow BlueIt would be awesome if Scotland were part of Europe, no more having our legal tender
No, you don't. In fact, please don't. Please get the #@%^# out of our union.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the British. Quite the contrary. That's why I want you out. I'd much rather have you lot as a friendly neighbour than as the untrustworthy "friend" you are now. As long as Britain keeps following the Appleby Doctrine, we can't trust perfid ctly the perfidity which the rest of us can no longer afford to allow you.
Richard
challenged by English yokels who have never been out of the county they were born
in, I demand that Europe free us from our yoke of slavery, shamefully we were sold
out by such a parcel of rouges as any nation could produce, English steel we could
disdain safe in valour's glory, but English gold, pathetic!
Originally posted by Shallow BlueThese are the facts:
No, you don't. In fact, please don't. Please get the #@%^# out of our union.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the British. Quite the contrary. That's why I want you out. I'd much rather have you lot as a friendly neighbour than as the untrustworthy "friend" you are now. As long as Britain keeps following the Appleby Doctrine, we can't trust perfid ...[text shortened]... ctly the perfidity which the rest of us can no longer afford to allow you.
Richard
1) The Euro is doomed. Greece will soon succumb, then Italy, then Spain and, yes, then France.
2) Merkel and Sarkozy have outplayed Cameron, true, but their cosy affair is a desperate attempt to shore up the Euro in the face of global recession.
3) London is the financial hub of Europe. Cameron was right to veto any legislation that would put its financial clout in doubt.
4) Albion is an Island. We are proud of our individuality. How have we been "untrustworthy"?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, should you wish to join the EU, in your own right, you'd first better get another 80 odd% to agree with you in calling themselves 'European' and identifying with such...I do believe such a figure tallies within a paltry couple of % to that of Britain as a whole.. so the very fact you view Scotland as wanting to be free of 'slavery'..and the English 'parcel of rogues' needs more stressed impetus by Mr Salmond when viewing his EU 'target'. It is perhaps a mistake to see Europe as the saviour, as the adoption of another 'state within a state' would demand your own sovereignty take a back seat in exactly the same way the Union Act did over 300yrs ago. I fail to see, beyond all the ticker tape, just what great benefits Scotland would a) offer the EU and b) take for itself, with the scenario of a Britain outside the EU yet with the now devolved nation of Scotland wanting that inclusion. If indeed Britain did leave the EU, Scotland would then have to literally fight it's own path to inclusion, perhaps Mr Salmond knows this very well and that other devolved regions \ nations ( but still operating as a larger entity ) may very well be not so enthusiastic to the idea of an inclusion as such..perhaps this has had a great bearing and he's announced his misgivings at the recent British EU veto. Ponder further the whole idea of a future inside the EU, a newly independent Scotland, a Basque country or a Catalonia..each would have to adopt all the bad old ways of the nation state. The union only functions in this manner and Scotland knows that...it's all a big game politica, one that really needs a true heavyweight at the helm..to push through a dream that plainly isn't there as most Scots see the EU for what it really is ...
It would be awesome if Scotland were part of Europe, no more having our legal tender
challenged by English yokels who have never been out of the county they were born
in, I demand that Europe free us from our yoke of slavery, shamefully we were sold
out by such a parcel of rouges as any nation could produce, English steel we could
disdain safe in valour's glory, but English gold, pathetic!
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Originally posted by RevRSleekeractually my dear friend, the parcel of rouges is we ourselves, its a line take from a
Well, should you wish to join the EU, in your own right, you'd first better get another 80 odd% to agree with you in calling themselves 'European' and identifying with such...I do believe such a figure tallies within a paltry couple of % to that of Britain as a whole.. so the very fact you view Scotland as wanting to be free of 'slavery'..and the Englis ream that plainly isn't there as most Scots see the EU for what it really is ...
very famous Scottish folk song, sic a parcel of rouges (such a parcel of rouges)
which details on how after winning independence after Bannockburn, we were sold
by our own nobles for English silver and gold. As we have no sovereignty to
mention, in fact we must be the only nation within the sphere of Europe that does
not posses its own sovereignty its foolish to talk of giving up what we do not have, is
it not? In the nineteen seventies for example, post boxes with ERII on them were
vandalised, why, because Scotland has never had an Elizabeth I, have we. In fact we
have our own Palace in Perth, Scone Palace where the ancient crowning places of
the Kings of Scotland still stands , overlooking the majestic river Tay.
We as a nation would be much better off if we had been able to realise our own
natural mineral wealth taking as an example Norway, whose socialist government
has laid up its country wealth for generations to come, in fact, per head of capita its
estimated we would become the sixth most wealthy nation on the planet and we are
to talk of a heavy weight pushing our interests when in fact the Union is a mill stone
around our necks!
BTW i am not a Scottish nationalist, as you can see i refuse to fly the saltire flag, so
ashamed i am of the insular thinking of my fellow countrymen, these things are self
evident without having to hoist the Jolly Roger of nationalism.