i had a convo yesterday with a colleague who said that poker was a greater game of intellect than chess...But there is a element of luck in poker, in chess there is none bar being white and sometimes thats not always lucky! Poker or chess, I go for chess, the game of kings 🙂
P.S I know I know the thread says verus instead of versus Doh!
Originally posted by Vladamir no1I prefer luck to skill anytime when playing poker, but if you don't think there is not a large amount of skill and intellegence needed to play poker you will lose a lot of money playing just with luck. Skill is what makes you lucky. Wanna play?
i had a convo yesterday with a colleague who said that poker was a greater game of intellect than chess...But there is a element of luck in poker, in chess there is none bar being white and sometimes thats not always lucky! Poker or chess, I go for chess, the game of kings 🙂
P.S I know I know the thread says verus instead of versus Doh!
This is only vaguely relevant but I find it and interesting concept. Someone I was talking to was once comparing various games of skill for difficulty by looking at it like like this.
Take the best ever player of that game, in chess Kasparov(spelling?) at the top of his game for example. Then find another player so that you could say reasonably certainly that Kasparov would beat 75% of the time. Repeat this for your new player to find a player which is then two "rungs" down from the top. If you carry on down then you will eventually get to youself.
Looking at it like this it is obvious that something like Backgammon or Draughts will have less "rungs" in total from pro to total beginner than chess. I think Poker would have less rungs as the element of chance would make it much harder to say with reasonable certainty one person could beat another.
Interestingly what brought this up was talking about Go. A game which apparently has more rungs than chess.
Originally posted by Vladamir no1I used to play chess with the wife but it was more fun to poker!
i had a convo yesterday with a colleague who said that poker was a greater game of intellect than chess...But there is a element of luck in poker, in chess there is none bar being white and sometimes thats not always lucky! Poker or chess, I go for chess, the game of kings 🙂
P.S I know I know the thread says verus instead of versus Doh!
The beauty of poker is the short-term luck element. Even though I'm far from being the best in the world, I can still make a good living from the game.
Part of the reason for it's growing popularity is that a poor play can win sometimes.
If I were to play a begginer at poker for $100, I might expect to win 60% of the time. Losing 5 or 10 games in a row to them would not be unheard of. Over the course of 1000s of games however, I'd stand to win close to $20 per game.
If I were to play a beginner at chess for $100, I might expect to win close to 100% of the time. While this would involve winning close to $100 per game (better than $20) what are the chances of finding soft opposition willing to play 1000s of games for money if they are almost guaranteed to lose?
Indeed, the only people who would play chess for money are the type who would expect to beat me close to 100% of the time.
That's why poker pips it for me to chess. That it is a game of incomplete information seemingly gives it a large "luck" element. If the bad player can win sometimes, they have reason to keep coming back.
Originally posted by sasquatch672so you lost all your money, right? and now you are blaming the game...
Used to love poker. Made decent money at it the last two years in college. Now it's crap. Especially hold 'em.
nowadays playing poker is easier than ever. There are thousands pokersites on the net and millions and millions players log in everyday. Also making money by playing poker has become pretty easy; every hard working and patient player can make profit on internet tables...
Luck has nothing to do with the poker in the long run. I think the main difference between chess and poker is that in a single poker hand luck plays massive role. But in the long run better players will always win. In both games.
But yeah, I still prefer chess to poker.
I enjoy playing Hold 'em. Play 1$ games with friends and played a couple 5$ games. Nothing to big. I usuall break even at the least or gain a small amount. I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I do playing a grueling 4 hour mental shootout chess game (and at least drawing 😉). There's nothing more satisfying than coming up with a beautiful combination of moves. While in hold 'em all the hands basically depend on whether you get good down cards that you can work with when the other cards come up.
Originally posted by sasquatch672The reason that some compare Chess and Poker as a Sport is because it contains competition, it is a recreation, it can be played as a profession and it has the mental elements that is needed for sports. While it appears it lacks the physical element of most Sports it still has enough to classify as a Sport because to be classified it only needs the majority of those classifications not all of them. Besides don't you have to move a piece from one square to the other? Or lift those heavy chips from your stack to the community pot. And then count your winning or loss? You say there is no physical rick during the act of poker. PLEASE...apparently you have never been to some of the backroom poker rooms in Texas. You had better learn to be physical or you won't walk out with your money.
Used to love poker. Made decent money at it the last two years in college. Now it's crap. Especially hold 'em. Main difference is this: in poker you have to be able to read your opponent, because it's a game of incomplete information. In chess, all the information's in front of you, so you need to be able to decipher the board. Totally different ...[text shortened]... y that there is no physical risk incurred during the act. Hence - poker is not a sport.
Originally posted by GalaxyShieldHow about nothing.
Uhh..Everything?
If they think you have the better hand and they fold out, you won't win much.
Also if you have a bad hand and they think you have the better hand (With a good Bluff) and they fold out, Well you may win the hand but how much is the question.