Originally posted by dk3nnyRight now I can't even do that, I can't find the dam xp disk that
Yeah, with the way your computer is behaving i'd just backup my files (so copy your music, emails, document etc to either a different hard drive to the one you have your windows files on or a different partition..
Then just put in your windows CD, restart your computer and boot from the cd and reinstall windows on the same partition, formatting the partiti ...[text shortened]... ld print off before to help you get through it..
Its not nice but probably has to be done.
came with the system. I have to get dell to send me one in the mail
and of course can't do that till monday, customer care there is now
closed.
Originally posted by sonhouseNot much you can do so, unles that ctrl-11 option that was mentioned earlier works, though doesnt sound like it if its a 2002 pc.
Right now I can't even do that, I can't find the dam xp disk that
came with the system. I have to get dell to send me one in the mail
and of course can't do that till monday, customer care there is now
closed.
Originally posted by sonhouseI'm sorry to hear that Ctrl+F11 won't work (it's an excellent feature). Well, at least it looks like it's sorting itself out now. If you can get your hands on the restore CD some time next week, I'm sure it will work out fine.
I got this dell in 2002. Too far back for that to work. I finally got
online with a dell software dude [...] So now I have to get
customer care to send me a copy of that disk, of course customer
care is closed, probably till monday. This is only slightly frustrating.
Good luck. 🙂
Originally posted by stockenHow bout this for a plan: I buy a new HD, partition, format, load XP,
I'm sorry to hear that Ctrl+F11 won't work (it's an excellent feature). Well, at least it looks like it's sorting itself out now. If you can get your hands on the restore CD some time next week, I'm sure it will work out fine.
Good luck. 🙂
then stick the old HD as a slave. Shouldn't everything run normally
that way? It would be a heck of a lot simpler if it would.
The official way sucks bigtime, first suck off all the data (word files,
graphics projects, music files, etc.) then make sure you have all
the product keys for all the downloads and stuff you loaded on CD's,
Then partition, format and load XP. It is a daunting task, for instance,
just my RHP PM's, games, I have to download them to a CD or such.
Thats just one example, there are dozens of pgms on this box.
I shudder to think about that job. Thats why I am thinking about a
simple swap. Norton pronounced the HD as ok, so the problem is
a corrupted XP file or three. So if there would be a problem with
having two operating systems, why can't I just dump the windows
folder on the now slave HD? Maybe it won't go silently into that cold
night, not let me off it. But if its a slave, I don't see how the two
copies of XP would fight each other, there would be no need for
XP to access anything in the slave, right?
If I have to, is there any reason why having that HD as a slave with
just the idea of copying stuff from the slave back to the new primary?
Would the pgm still work, link to the right registry values, etc.?
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveWhat dif does it make where it is on the ribbon? Electrically they are
Make sure you set the jumpers on the hard drives and connect the new one at the end of the IDE cable.
Should be ok then.
all on the same bus. The only dif would be the last one in line
would have a couple of nanoseconds more delay (signals move~one
nanosecond per foot). Every pin of each HD connector is the same
on every other connector, so other than that nanosecond or two
dif in time, what else could there be. Well maybe a bit more inductance
and capacitance the futher away you go but every wire in the ribbon
goes to the same pin of each one of the HD connectors. Tell me if
I am wrong.
So when you say I should be ok, you are saying XP will give it a
name and all the directories on the HD will follow and everything will
be copasetic?
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Originally posted by sonhouseThe computer recognizes the harddrive at the end of the ribbon cable as the master and the one in the middle as slave. You should set the jumpers to correspond. If you are setting the new one as master and installing XP on that, you should be able to transfer the stuff you want over, or just keep it on the slave.
What dif does it make where it is on the ribbon? Electrically they are
all on the same bus. The only dif would be the last one in line
would have a couple of nanoseconds more delay (signals move~one
nanosecond per foot). Every pin of each HD connector is the same
on every other connector, so other than that nanosecond or two
dif in time, what else coul ...[text shortened]... ive it a
name and all the directories on the HD will follow and everything will
be copasetic?
The master is the disk that the operating system boots from. XP will assign a drive letter for each disk. C normally being the master etc etc.
If you are intending to remove the old hard drive after, you would have to reinstall your programs - only the files and folders can be moved [or copied, which would be best in case anything went wrong]
You also may get an "access denied" message, in that case you have to 'take ownership' - see this MS KB article -
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveThanks for the link. But I beg to differ with you on the placement
The computer recognizes the harddrive at the end of the ribbon cable as the master and the one in the middle as slave. You should set the jumpers to correspond. If you are setting the new one as master and installing XP on that, you should be able to transfer the stuff you want over, or just keep it on the slave.
The master is the disk that the opera ...[text shortened]... to 'take ownership' - see this MS KB article -
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421
issue. I have put both in both, that is to say tried what you said
vs. the reverse and I can say without a doubt it makes no differance.
Think about it, the pins in every position go to the same wire on
the ribbon, if you rang them out electrically, you find every pin
to be the same electrically speaking. Its just a bus. There is no
dif between ribbon positions. If you think otherwise, try it sometime.
I already have. Aside from the issues of slightly differing capacitance,
inductance and timing at the nanosecond level, all the signals go
to the same place, the differance is the access timing, none of the
drives are accessed at exactly the same time, they have to take turns
on a bus like that, so during each clock cycle they identify each other
by the timing not the placement on the cable.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveThink you may confuse IDE with SCSI. Even if you're talking about SCSI it's kinda wrong. IDE disks are set to master/auto/slave using pins. Other than that it really doesn't matter where on the IDE cable they are connected.
The computer recognizes the harddrive at the end of the ribbon cable as the master and the one in the middle as slave.
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Originally posted by sonhouseYou're forgetting one tiny detail. If your computer is infected with a virus, it will still be there on your old drive. Also, you still need to reinstall all your programs on top of your new XP install and then import all the files that you associate with those programs.
How bout this for a plan: I buy a new HD, partition, format, load XP,
then stick the old HD as a slave. Shouldn't everything run normally
that way? It would be a heck of a lot simpler if it would.
The official way sucks bigtime, first suck off all the data (word files,
graphics projects, music files, etc.) then make sure you have all
the product keys f ck to the new primary?
Would the pgm still work, link to the right registry values, etc.?
I can see that you'd like to keep the original disk as is (that will be like a backup of your files), but make sure you don't have it connected while installing Windows XP, firewall and antivirus on the new disk (don't forget to update all three to their latest updates). Then make sure you run antivirus on the old disk right after having connected it and before you open any files on it.
Other than that, you should be ok. 🙂
Originally posted by sonhouseYou have your RHP PM's and games on your local drive? I see, you have had them sent by email, and your email is stored on the local drive. Well, you still have to import all the old mail into your new installation (setup pop-server, username and password and all that).
...just my RHP PM's, games, I have to download them to a CD or such.
It's gonna be a big pain in the butt whether you burn everything to CD or keep the old drive. The benefits of keeping the old drive intact is that you won't forget any files when creating the backup. So, if you want to go out and buy a new drive, I say that's a good idea.