Originally posted by CrowleyClassic
Look, let me spell it out for you two again.
There is no way to really compare the two sports.
Bottom line, in it's simplest form:
Bowling is more difficult than pitching. (Basic, bloody physics and body mechanics)
Batting is (ball for ball) easier than hitting.
Fielding is very much the same.
Other than that, what else is there to compare? Antagonizing each other leads nowhere.
The end.
1. No way to compare the two sports.
2. Let's stop fighting.
3. Our sport is better.
LMFAO
Reality:
Fielding is the same, except for the throwing part!
Do you have an advanced degree in "Bloody Physics" or was that just an attempt to make your entirely unfounded opinion sound like more than just that?
LISTEN: this has gotten stupid. You folks who like Cricket, go ahead and enjoy it as much as you can. The rest of us will enjoy are baseball, hopefully often.
One thing seems absolutely certain to me: at the most advanced level
both sports require a skill level that is far, far beyond anyone on this forum.
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Originally posted by Red NightWhere Red, where do I say cricket is 'better'? Seriously man, I'm starting to believe you don't really understand English.
Classic
1. No way to compare the two sports.
2. Let's stop fighting.
3. Our sport is better.
LMFAO
Reality:
Fielding is the same, except for the throwing part!
Do you have an advanced degree in "Bloody Physics" or was that just an attempt to make your entirely unfounded opinion sound like more than just that?
LISTEN: this has gotten ...[text shortened]... vanced level
both sports require a skill level that is far, far beyond anyone on this forum.
You guys have it somewhat easier in the field, because you have a GIANT glove to catch with, but you have to throw the ball further sometimes.
The bowling action is one of the most difficult things in ANY sport I've had to master - so it is not unfounded.
Please go and try it sometime. Take a run-up, windmill your arm around, keeping it straight as you deliver the ball, then bounce it on the ground and try to hit a target that is 28 inches tall and 9 inches wide. Try to also propel the ball 22yards at at least 75mph (which is how fast I bowled in school).
So yes, I believe this is harder to do than pitching in baseball.
This 'argument' has been stupid since page 1, when you and others tried to say which sport is 'the best'.
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Originally posted by CrowleyGo to Wiki and learn about a Knuckleball, Split Finger Fastball, and Slider. Try to throw one of these pitches through a tire about 60 feet 6" away.
Where Red, where do I say cricket is 'better'? Seriously man, I'm starting to believe you don't really understand English.
You guys have it somewhat easier in the field, because you have a GIANT glove to catch with, but you have to throw the ball further sometimes.
The bowling action is one of the most difficult things in ANY sport I've had to master - s s been stupid since page 1, when you and others tried to say which sport is 'the best'.
With your speed of near 75mph speed you should be able to get a little movement on these pitches... perhaps you'll have a new found respect.
I gave cricket bowling a go, not sure I mentioned it in this forum... but my arm about fell off trying to keep it straight. It is hard for sure, but so is MLB pitching.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitI thought baseball pitchers were further away from the target than in cricket?
Go to Wiki and learn about a Knuckleball, Split Finger Fastball, and Slider. Try to throw one of these pitches through a tire about 60 feet 6" away.
With your speed of near 75mph speed you should be able to get a little movement on these pitches... perhaps you'll have a new found respect.
I gave cricket bowling a go, not sure I mentioned it in this ...[text shortened]... about fell off trying to keep it straight. It is hard for sure, but so is MLB pitching.
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Dude, bowlers swing the ball and the better bowlers can get the ball to deviate off the pitch in a planned direction, after swinging it in the air (sometimes in opposite directions).
They do this with an akward action (if you've tried it, you'll know what I'm talking about) and the batsman has a bigger surface to defend with.
You see my point?
I played baseball at school and pitching doesn't come close.
Originally posted by CrowleyWhat pitches were you throwing? Did you take those school lads to task or what?!
I thought baseball pitchers were further away from the target than in cricket?
Dude, bowlers swing the ball and the better bowlers can get the ball to deviate off the pitch in a planned direction, after swinging it in the air (sometimes in opposite directions).
They do this with an akward action (if you've tried it, you'll know what I'm talking about) an ...[text shortened]... d with.
You see my point?
I played baseball at school and pitching doesn't come close.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitThe only one I could really master was putting 'overspin' on it (I have no idea what you call it), starting the ball off looking like it's going at the hitters' head then coming back over the plate and dipping.
What pitches were you throwing? Did you take those school lads to task or what?!
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Like I said before, baseball is not really taken seriously here and we only played some friendly games againstr other local schools. If you don't get the school kids excited to play, you will never develop any good players.
In the capital Pretoria, they have pretty big softball leagues between the schools there, but now that is a girls' game if I ever saw one.
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Originally posted by CrowleyAnother Classic RHP argument = The show me argument.
Where Red, where do I say cricket is 'better'? Seriously man, I'm starting to believe you don't really understand English.
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"Show me where I said that."
Most recently, you said bowling was harder. But, I don't have time to go reading through all of your posts looking for what you, I, and everyone else here knows is there; you have repeatedly implied, insinuated, or stated that Cricket is better, harder, or more popular.
Look man, I don't have a problem with you liking to watch or play cricket. Enjoy it! But, don't try and tell me it is harder, better, or more interesting than baseball.
Originally posted by Red NightAah, there it is at last.
Another Classic RHP argument = The show me argument.
"Show me where I said that."
Most recently, you said bowling was harder. But, I don't have time to go reading through all of your posts looking for what you, I, and everyone else here knows is there; you have repeatedly implied, insinuated, or stated that Cricket is better, harder, or more popu ...[text shortened]... oy it! But, don't try and tell me it is harder, better, or more interesting than baseball.
You admit you don't actually read and try to comprehend what is posted before replying... Now I understand.
I haven't implied or insinuated anything of the sort. Other people have, yes. I firmly believe that there is no way to say any sport is better or harder than another. This I have stated a few times. Facets of different sports can be compared, but never the WHOLE sport.
RE: Bowling
Just take some time to read my posts on just this page, then you'll understand why bowling is more difficult to master than pitching.
Originally posted by CrowleyThey start out 60' 6" away = but they get a little closer when they finally release the ball.
I thought baseball pitchers were further away from the target than in cricket?
Dude, bowlers swing the ball and the better bowlers can get the ball to deviate off the pitch in a planned direction, after swinging it in the air (sometimes in opposite directions).
They do this with an akward action (if you've tried it, you'll know what I'm talking about) an ...[text shortened]... d with.
You see my point?
I played baseball at school and pitching doesn't come close.
And basically they are trying to hit a target the size of a coffee cup.
AND,....(this is something most of you Cricketeers out there don't get)... they make the ball move all over the place.
Throwing a pitch 100 mph straight in gets you no where in baseball. The pitch has to move. If it doesn't, it goes back out faster than it came in.
Originally posted by Red NightSo they are closer to the target than in cricket.
They start out 60' 6" away = but they get a little closer when they finally release the ball.
And basically they are trying to hit a target the size of a coffee cup.
AND,....(this is something most of you Cricketeers out there don't get)... they make the ball move all over the place.
Throwing a pitch 100 mph straight in gets you no where in baseball. The pitch has to move. If it doesn't, it goes back out faster than it came in.
A coffee cup? Please! The catcher does move his mitt in order to catch, so that is not accurate.
We get the movement, man! This has been posted a few times now. The ball moves in cricket too - swing through the air and movement off the pitch - sometimes at opposite angles if you're a very good bowler, plus you need to vary pace, length and width.
Originally posted by CrowleyThe catcher moves his mitt because he doesn't want to signal where the pitch is going.
So they are closer to the target than in cricket.
A coffee cup? Please! The catcher does move his mitt in order to catch, so that is not accurate.
We get the movement, man! This has been posted a few times now. The ball moves in cricket too - swing through the air and movement off the pitch - sometimes at opposite angles if you're a very good bowler, plus you need to vary pace, length and width.
Pitching in baseball is all about changing speed and location.
A good curveball drops about 12-14" AT THE PLATE.
A good fastball "hops" about 4" AT THE PLATE.
Not every pitcher aims as precisely.
Knuckleballers have no idea where the ball is going.
True fastball pitchers just rear back and throw hard and count on their natural motion to make the ball rise at the plate.
But, most pitchers are trying to hit the corner of the strike zone with their pitches (curve, slider, fastball,...). The strike zone is a cube approximately 17 1/2"x23"x7". A good pitcher wants to nick the outside corner of that cube.
So, yes they are trying to hit a target the size of a coffee cup.
Ideally, they want about 10 mph difference between the speed of their curve or change-up and their fastball. This keeps hitters off balance.
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Originally posted by CrowleySorry, the thing posted twice.
So they are closer to the target than in cricket.
A coffee cup? Please! The catcher does move his mitt in order to catch, so that is not accurate.
We get the movement, man! This has been posted a few times now. The ball moves in cricket too - swing through the air and movement off the pitch - sometimes at opposite angles if you're a very good bowler, plus you need to vary pace, length and width.
Originally posted by CrowleyWhat he's said is true on this subject.
So they are closer to the target than in cricket.
A coffee cup? Please! The catcher does move his mitt in order to catch, so that is not accurate.
We get the movement, man! This has been posted a few times now. The ball moves in cricket too - swing through the air and movement off the pitch - sometimes at opposite angles if you're a very good bowler, plus you need to vary pace, length and width.
If the catcher put his glove where it belongs, the batter would know.
The pitcher knows exactly where he wants the ball to go for each pitch.
Pitchers don't always hit the mark, but sure do often.
You can't compare the 2 until you come to realize there was more to pitching than what you did in HS outside of the US. You as a pitcher would probably been a catcher or 2nd baseman in a nation like Japan or the US. Pitching is precision. I won't say it's harder than bowling anymore, but I don't think you understand how hard it really is, or what really goes on.
There are batters you can NEVER leave it up and in on. There are batters you can never leave it low and outside on. You NEVER want to leave any pitch right over the plate, when you do... it's gone.
Most good pitchers will have at least 4 pitches they can throw, and they must be able to get it near the ‘coffee cup’ every time. Some pitchers have only 3… some have 5 or more pitches. A pitcher with 3 pitches usually is a number 4 or 5 starter, behind the guy who has more pitches, and more control.
A good pitcher with only 2 pitches spends his time learning a third or fourth pitch, as they would be shelled in MLB.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitGood point P.
What he's said is true on this subject.
If the catcher put his glove where it belongs, the batter would know.
The pitcher knows exactly where he wants the ball to go for each pitch.
Pitchers don't always hit the mark, but sure do often.
You can't compare the 2 until you come to realize there was more to pitching than what you did in HS outside of t ...[text shortened]... spends his time learning a third or fourth pitch, as they would be shelled in MLB.
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also, a number of pitchers use multiple arm angles. David cone comes to mind.
So a guy might throw a curve ball from 2-5 different release points.
And P and I aren't lieing to you. These guys are trying to hit a very small target.