DEEPBLUESEA???

Is this the same person as Oceanwaves?? doesnt talk much just
plays chess??

Jason
SGT at arms
USA

yep

My advice, at this point, is to not play ANYONE you haven't played
before, unless they have an established record here at RHP. Check
their profiles, check out their other games. There is at least one
program user we know of, probably more. It's a sad way to have to
handle things, but I am no longer accepting challenges from anyone I
have any suspicions about. I busted my ass for every ratings point I
have, and I don't care to lose any more of them to a program. Beat
me fair and square-- no problem. I love playing. That's why I'm
here. People who are here for any other reason (and they know who
they are) will go away if they can't find an opponent. Unfortunately,
some good people will also go away, but there isn't much we can do
about that.
Tim
The Dark Squire

Tell me so I can avoid IT!

Email me...I know all...as most can tell you.

Schliemann@alloymail.com

Dave
Captain USA

No kidding! Talking to this guy last night! Good man Dave!

OK, I'm quite new here and maybe I'm being really stupid, but how
can anyone tell who is a programme user and who isn't? Are there
subtle signs that can be drawn out by the experienced eye, or is just
the telltale use of 'Deep Blue' in someone's name? I just wondered,
because at the moment it seems all newcomers, especially those with
a couple of wins under their belt, are falling under suspicion.

Rich.

Yes Rich,
There is a little paranoia going on. I'm playing some folks who
have been suspected and so far everything is cool. I'm playin a lot of
chess. I can't tell when I lose to a program or to another human.
John
The Ambassador
Little Grasshopper
King Of MAP
Most Titled Player
Asst. Captain Team USA

Yeah I agree. And since it's pretty much impossible to tell who is
being honest and who's not, I think it's maybe best just to give
people the benefit of the doubt. Ultimately, those who spend their not
so valuable time imputting games into computers rather than than
using their own brains are in need of sympathy more than anything
else. Perhaps we should set up a support group or something?

Rich.

Reading the forums and looking at ratings are two ways to evaluate
who is on the up and up. If they lose a lot of games (like me)
chances are they are not using a program. If you read the forums
and you see someone sowing the seeds of anger, arrogance, and
paranoia, there is a strong possibility this may find another
expression known as a program. Talk to the people you play and ask
them who is fun to play with. Put them in your "buddy list." Kirk

I probably never should have even talked about this and just kept my
thoughts and observations too myself.

Had a "wonderful" visit with maggoteer today....I say it that way
because of an absolute unseen circumstance that came up due to a
very intoxicated and completely offensive neighbor. Needless to say i
hope he didn't walk out of here feeling bad about our visit. because
he is a great guy and VERY intelligent and well spoken....plus actually
really made me think in our OTB game today.

I think he was a little impressed at my library...because that is
my "program"...that and my mind.

And that is what I prefer to play against....if GM Boris Gelfland can't
beat Fritz 7..how the hell can I.

Dropping the subject on this from me from here on out.

Dave
Captain USA

Okay, time to get up on my soapbox. First of all, Dave, I disagree
with you when you say that you should have kept your thoughts to
yourself. I think treating unknown quantities with suspicion fails to
qualify as "paranoia." It's just common sense and being careful. Let
me clarify something-- I am NOT here strictly for the rating points. If
I were, I wouldn't be taking teaching games from Dave, where I am
bound to lose a ton of them before I get good enough to beat highly
rated players. I am here to play chess. Now, one could make the
argument that you're still playing chess, whether it's against a person
or a person using a program. Wrong! If I play a person with an 1800
rating, I still stand the chance that they will make a blunder. If I lose,
I will at least know I lost to a superior chess player. If I lose to a
program (which I have, at least once that I am aware of), I lose rating
points, and the entire game loses its point, because chess is
supposed to be a CONTEST. There is no contest between ANY of us
and Fritz 7.

I want ALL newcomers to this site to feel welcome, and to get the
same rewards I have received-- the chance to play some great games
of chess against some great people. It makes me sad that I can't
automatically trust every newcomer who puts up an open invite,
because I have found some of my favorite opponents there. But
that's the way things are. Each of us will choose to handle it in our
own way. My way will be one of caution with newcomers. Hopefully
they will stick around long enough that I can check out their past
games (or have someone more knowledgeable than me warn me
about them), and then we can get back to what we're all here for.

Just had to throw my two cents in. Now, back to my games.
Tim
The Dark Squire

And very insightful...because yes...Lasker taught us that chess is
about a struggle between two people...and we as people have
faults...and at any minute I can slip up and blammo...get my butt
stomped.

The programs they have out now....especially that new one "Deep
Fritz"...which is a multi processor program and strong enough that the
current world champion Vladamir Kramnik is getting one hell of
apaycheck to go up against it...are a heck of alot stronger and make
alot fewer mistakes than sitting down with BattleChess (anybody
remember that fun game?)

I know I can't beat them...although I have handed Chess master
8000 a whipping a couple of times.

Thanks Tim.

Dave
Captain USA

Dave,

I had a great visit, it was good to finally meet you, Becky, and the kids. About that OTB game; as far as
I can figure it, the only thing I made you think was "has this guy actually ever seen a chess board
before?!" LOL. Yes, I was a bit intimidated, enough to move the wrong Knight in my lame attempt at a
Guicco Piano with Nc3 instead of Nf3, making me wonder a few moves later when I want to push c3
why there is this stupid Kniggit in the way. But I'm proud that at least once I made you stop and think
for - what was it, three seconds? But it was a good lesson, I know I enjoyed it, and hope you enjoyed
giving it. Kings Indian, eh?

As far as the neighborly "incident" goes; remember I grew up in the good old south (grade and middle
school outside Atlanta georgia, way back before Atlanta became the big sophisticated city it is now :&gt😉
AND my Dad's side of the family are ..... West Virginians, while my Mom's side are ....Sicilians. With
those influences, I consider any social situation where none of the guests get shot , or get shot too
bad, or at least not shot real bad while still sober, to be pretty tame! I had a great time. Look forward
to meeting up again.

I thought you were playing the Vienna or going for Four Knights! I wish
I had known you were going for a Piano...we could have started
over..hehehe.

I absolutely enjoyed it and I hope you did learn a little out of
it...especially the sacrificial attack and the tactics I showed ya. As well
learning how when a player has a bishop in the "glorified pawn
position" to try and not let it out.

Can't wait to do it again...but definetly soon I will head up there...you
really impressed Beck and our oldest daughter with what you do for
aliving and they can't wait for that tour.

I will be in touch...and as soon as you have finished some of those
games let me know so we can get ya enrolled in my classes.

Dave
Captain USA