Does anyone else think this is funny in a sick and twisted cinde of way.
Pet killed by 'electric fence'
An 11-year-old girl found her pet cat dead after a neighbour installed electrified wires to protect his flowers.
Laura Bulmer discovered the 10-month-old black cat, called Toby, with smoke still coming for its mouth after it strayed into the garden of pensioner James Pringle Smith.
The 68-year-old had installed electric wires in the garden of his Penrith, Cumbria, home to deter pets trampling on his flower beds.
Mr Pringle Smith admitted causing unnecessary suffering to an animal when he appeared before Eden magistrates.
The pensioner, who was unrepresented, told the hearing that for years he had been bothered by cats which had scratched up his garden and made a mess which smelled awful.
He said: I thought it wouldn't harm them, but would just shock them - that's my only excuse.
I didn't mean to kill the cat or harm it in any way.
Mr Pringle Smith said he put up a wire grid and attached it to a 12-volt battery charger, which delivered 15 amps.
But the court heard from an electrician who said a small child could have been injured if it came into contact with the wires.
The court was told the animal had probably been caught in the wires and, thinking he was under attack, had bitten the wire and suffered quite an awful death.
Presiding magistrate Howard Eastwood told Mr Pringle Smith: Your actions were foolhardy in the extreme and could have hurt a child.
He was ordered to pay £50 compensation to the dead cat's owners, Dawn and Simon Bulmer, and to pay £55 court costs.
But after the hearing Mr Bulmer, said: I think that the sentence this man has been given is a disgrace, an absolute insult.
My daughter cannot sleep at night because of what happened, she was the one who found Toby and she has had countless nightmares since it happened, she is so upset.
personaly i use a BB gun to keep the cat out my garden, i have never seen the same cat twice. this is the best bit i just have to remind you all again
Laura Bulmer discovered the 10-month-old black cat, called Toby, with smoke still coming for its mouth after it strayed into the garden of pensioner James Pringle Smith.
pensioners seem to be getting their own back on the things that get on their nerves these days, so who betide those who taunt old folk with te words so what you gonna do about it gramps.
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Originally posted by Super SpiffyIf I was 11 and he had killed my cat I think my dad would have wired him up. This is why we have laws against cruelty to animals - the guy slowly burnt a cat to death then just said sorry and thought that was good enough.
Does anyone else think this is funny in a sick and twisted cinde of way.
Pet killed by 'electric fence'
An 11-year-old girl found her pet cat dead after a neighbour installed electrified wires to protect his flowers.
Laura Bulmer discovered the 10-month-old black cat, called Toby, with smoke still coming for its mouth after it strayed into ...[text shortened]... days, so who betide those who taunt old folk with te words so what you gonna do about it gramps.
I don't think it funny
Andrew
(who really likes cats 😳 )
Originally posted by latex bishopMy dad claims that if had used a AC current then the cat would have been shocked and jumped back. unfortunately he used a DC current causing the cat to get stuck to the fence and to "slowly burn". How is an OAP supposed to know this? he didnt mean to kil the cat just shock it so it would not come back again.
- the guy slowly burnt a cat to death then just said sorry and thought that was good enough.
I once heard about a pensioner in Thailand who was so sick of being burgled through her skylight window that she connected it to the mains supply.
Sure enough, the next burglar was zapped to death and she was done for murder.
Now, it may just be me, but I find that funnier than an innocent cat being zapped.
Originally posted by Super SpiffyI'm going to have nightmare's too....:'( I have a cute little cat myself and brr....if I think of it...luckily she's sitting happy on my knees and spinning when I touch her...🙂
Does anyone else think this is funny in a sick and twisted cinde of way.
Pet killed by 'electric fence'
An 11-year-old girl found her pet cat dead after a neighbour installed electrified wires to protect his flowers.
Laura Bulmer discovered the 10-month-old black cat, called Toby, with smoke still coming for its mouth after it strayed into ...[text shortened]... days, so who betide those who taunt old folk with te words so what you gonna do about it gramps.
Olav
Originally posted by Super Spiffyno it's not funny, but is twisted.
Does anyone else think this is funny in a sick and twisted cinde of way.
cats can be difficult to keep out, but there are other ways. understandably, though this person wasn't trying to be cruel just keep the cat out. those are the twists - but i don't think it was funny for anyone laura's family or james smith and certainly not for the cat.
like andrew wrote, laws against cruelty to animals are becoming more severe and it will help humans too.
Originally posted by pradtfhow is it supposed to help humans? is it crulty to blow the head off a mole that is making a mess of your nice lawn or the fox that keeps on kiling your chickens? tell me is there a nice humane meathod for killing a pest (i am including some cats in this as many need to be shot or trained to crap in one corner of there owners garden) to be honest the only way i can think of is to have it ripped to pieces by the next preditor up, as nature intended it might still be crule but it works on the savanah, the preditor gets fed this way as well.
laws against cruelty to animals are becoming more severe and it will help humans too.
Originally posted by Super Spiffyyeah0we spent all this time getting to the top of the foos chain, and we're just willing to let ourselves drop down again?...😉
how is it supposed to help humans? is it crulty to blow the head off a mole that is making a mess of your nice lawn or the fox that keeps on kiling your chickens? tell me is there a nice humane meathod for killing a pest (i am including some cats in this as many need to be shot or trained to crap in one corner of there owners garden) to be honest the o ...[text shortened]... ded it might still be crule but it works on the savanah, the preditor gets fed this way as well.
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Originally posted by Super SpiffyThe the fox, or the mole is only doing what nature tells it to do - they lack the higher brain function to see above the fact that something looks good and they want it. If you have chickens and live in an area with foxes is it too hard to work out that the fox may want to eat the chicken? That is why there were no wild chickens where you live in the first place. If you want to stop the fox build a better wall around them and maintain it and the fox will not kill your chickens. If the chickens die it is your fault for not looking after them properly.
how is it supposed to help humans? is it crulty to blow the head off a mole that is making a mess of your nice lawn or the fox that keeps on kiling your chickens? tell me is there a nice humane meathod for killing a pest (i am including some cats in this as many need to be shot or trained to crap in one corner of there owners garden) to be honest the o ...[text shortened]... ded it might still be crule but it works on the savanah, the preditor gets fed this way as well.
Again with the mole - he lives underground, he does not understand about "nice lawns" so just find away using his natural behaviour to move him somewhere else.
Again, with your comment about the cats, you are essentially saying that the animals need to die because humans have not looked after them in an appropriate manner.
As I understand it, a fundermental part of our society is built upon the conception of what is fair. It is not fair to blame an animal for a humans failure to manage it effectively. Unfortunately, in this world it seems that the only part of animal management that people seem to understand is the word "cull".
We are not simply "top of the food chain", we have a responibilty to look after the environment and ecosystems we live in. If you just want to kill something because it is there you are no better than the fox or the chicken.
Andrew
Originally posted by latex bishopNicely said
The the fox, or the mole is only doing what nature tells it to do - they lack the higher brain function to see above the fact that something looks good and they want it. If you have chickens and live in an area with foxes is it too hard to work out that the fox may want to eat the chicken? That is why there were no wild chickens where you live in the fi ...[text shortened]... to kill something because it is there you are no better than the fox or the chicken.
Andrew
Originally posted by Super Spiffyyou ask a good question. let me answer from 2 perspectives: the first you will be able to relate to right away - the other may require some time (i know it took me a while).
how is it supposed to help humans?
1. generally speaking, most humans do not like cruelty to animals. because we feel pain ourselves, we can relate to the pain another being (human or otherwise) would feel. while it is true that some humans have throughout history been barbaric not just to animals but also to other humans, the fact that we have arrived at a more or less civilized society with protection laws that extend even to non-humans implies that people are repulsed by the suffering of others. i don't think too many people would take pleasure from the electrocution of that cat, however, to some such as laura and her father (and even to james smith - from what you wrote) the experience was horrifying. laws against animal cruelty thus protect not only the animals, but also those humans who share their pain.
2. if you watch star trek at all, you may be aware of how the vulcans always chide humans for their irratioinal and barbaric behaviour. however, they also add that they themselves were even more barbaric in their past, but they outgrew it - almost as though it was a process of evolution. many 'superior' species that are encountered tell humans that they would be happy to associate with them after they have evolved a little bit further - not in terms of technology, but in terms of their nature.
it would seem then that not only the aliens, but we ourselves (since we seem to enjoy this star trek stuff) want this evolution for the human race, for the way we behave towards other beings and for our inner selves. why is it that our time honors compassionate people like mother teresa, albert schweitzer, martin luther king and gandhi? because they show a path through their words and actions that is consistent with this evolution and through our admiration of them, we admit that there is a part of us that aspires to the same.
if you cannot relate this to animals, you can surely see that most humans do not want cruelty to other humans - the slave trade past and present (though they call it something different now), the holocaust, the torture chambers for political or religious prisoners - all these and more are abhorrent to most, and even those engaged in the atrocities have to dig deep to justify what they do to others through arguments based on economy, racism, or 'our way of life'.
it is but a small step to extend all this to animal cruelty, for it is cruelty itself that goes against our nature once we recognize it for what it is. it is, however, a process of our evolution and can seem to take a long time.
i hope i have covered some ideas for you that are different from those in andrew's excellent post.
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Originally posted by pradtfNice post. Very well said <again> ( and you too, Andrew) and much to ponder. The mystery of "Mind". I have one... you have one... my dog and my cat have one. Most animals have one. How does this mysterious "mind" thing perceive these never ending "nows" and make them past and surety of future? Does it operate into the quantum nature of the universe? Very interesting research being done by University of Arizona "Quantum Mind Group".
you ask a good question. let me answer from 2 perspectives: the first you will be able to relate to right away - the other may require some time (i know it took me a while).
1. generally speaking, most humans do not like cruelty to animal ...[text shortened]... u that are different from those in andrew's excellent post.
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