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  1. Standard memberyosiman
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    check that vid out if this text is too boring. It's worth your time.

    concise version:
    There is a trinity of forces (you could label this God or not, different discussion entirely, covered in tonight's writings) : consciousness, positive force, and negative force. Positive and Negative force are at eternal equilibrium in a sort of pre-universe state. Consciousness is the third force of God (I find it so hard not to use that term given the otherworldly import of this) and it has a Will to Be. It creates a disturbance in the equilibrium of positive and negative forces, setting off a big bang, so that it can force highest consciousness into fruition in that universe. But it doesn't do it on an off chance. The end state is realized at the beginning state, in order for the universe to pop into existence at all. The laws of cause and effect take place until this universe finally, necessarily produces true consciousness (aware of its own awareness). After this point, there is a great shift, at which the possessor of consciousness takes over his own fate (in this case man). The free will of man transcends scientific cause and effect as we understand it. It works within the framework as cause and effect. It is like the inspiration for an amazing painting. The inherent majesty of any work of art is not judged by the physical particles of paint (positive) or empty space surrounding (negative). It is the artist's will and inspiration that control it all. And so the universe has achieved it's goal (consciousness) and now the future is unforseen, man (and maybe whatever conscious being may have evolved in this universe) at the reigns. The next stage is to see if man can take the baton, and transform pure consciousness into pure Good. The duality of positive and negative can also be seen as Good and Evil. They are the same force at different times. In preconscious existence, there is naught but the positive and negative forces of physical laws. After consciousness has been achieved, Good and Evil come into being as a necessary consequence of the Duality of positive and negative that combine with consciousness to form the trinity. Positive versus negative (matter and energy) were the metauniverse's (more encompassing being that gives birth to individual universes) struggle for consciousness in this instance, and now Good versus Evil is the universe's struggle for Goodness.
    Oh yeah I forgot to mention, the force that is the Will to Consciousness (one of the trinity) is what sets up the laws of physics at the beginning of the universe. It determines them necessarily by the end-state.
    Just like man needed religion to progress into higher betterment but then is served better by it being dropped for sincere individual quest later, he shall at some point have to leave behind science even, as a non-complete tool-kit for understanding the universe that imposes a limit on his knowledge by its very structure (which of course was necessary to get us to this point where we might be able to leave it behind.)

    Consciousness is the prerequisite of existence.
    Maybe the other universes without it do pop into being, but for all intents and purposes, they don't exist, since there is no consciousness to experience them. Or in some very real sense, they don't exist at all precisely because they are the worlds that never, given infinite time to do it, will generate consciousness.
    Q: "Are you saying if we discover a far away solar system with no prior alien life, we bring it into existence by going there?"
    Not at all, you're still thinking within this universe. That's not how it applies. It applies to the introduction of a universe from the metaverse with what we call the big bang.
    We cannot wrap our heads around the idea of this universe being contingent upon consciousness because it's already a completed event. We see ourselves, and imagine ourselves gone and the universe continuing. But our consciousness has already triggered this universe. If it hadn't developed consciousness, it never would have existed in the first place. A requisite condition for coming into being.
    Think of it this way. If we wiped ourselves out with nuclear holocaust, the universe would not necessarily stop existing. Only if it was that never again in the future of this universe would consciousness arise in any form would the universe cease to exist. (This is determined immediately, you don't need run a slow simulation. With cause and effect as an iron law in a conscious-free universe, all time instants happen at once, logically) In this universe of ours which seems fine-tuned towards creating conscious life, I'm guessing the universe would continue on.


    --non-moral world to moral world--
    There are 3 forces in the Age of Consciousness.
    Good, Evil, and Free Will. Free Will is mediator between good and evil, tipping the balance towards good. This is why good overpowers evil.
    These are corollaries. What started as Positive force, Negative force, and will to consciousness, upon achieving consciousness, become Good, Evil, and Free Will in the service of the Good. Only with consciousness does the world take on a moral slant, and through Free Will does it increase or decrease the amount of Good or Evil in the universe. But while Good is a more powerful force than Evil, no conclusion is fated or predetermined. The universe was only predetermined up til the advent of consciousness that brought about free will due to its transcendence of cause and effect, due to the feedback loop of consciousness, thoughts in turn generating thoughts. It's up to us to make this universe a Heaven or a Hell. It could go either way; nothing is preordained anymore. But it appears that Good has the upper hand, at least from the evidence we have. Perhaps this goes back to the beginning. The fact that the very coming into existence of the big bang implied an imbalance in the equilibrium between the positive and the negative. That implies it favored one ever so slightly more. And since Good and Evil are but a continuation/transmogrification from Positive and Negative physical forces, it makes sense that one would ever so slightly have the edge. All you need though is a slight edge to make huge progress over time, which is in fact what we see now. And it's a remarkably small span of time that you could say that and be right and know from all the evidence that you are right. Can Evil still win out even though statistically it shouldn't? Yes. That is Sodom and Gamorrah. Perhaps all these universes exist, and only in certain ones do the conscious beings truly achieve Good. The others are like fallen kingdoms, to be punished like Sodom and Gamorrah for wasting their potential. Misery shall be their punishment, their is no device with which these universes could be wiped out on the spot due to the choices of conscious beings. And for the ones who achieve good, it is heaven on earth. We are creating Heaven or Hell. Of all the Universes that pop into existence, they are potential Heavens or Hells. It is up to the conscious beings to decide which it will be. There is no Heaven and Hell. There is Heaven or Hell. Thankfully we're only talking about the fate of the world. The slice of consciousness that you as a person perceive will thankfully be relinquished completely upon your death, just as before you were born. If a universe is successful, it will completely vanquish Evil, reaching the Heaven, Nirvana state. And so the duality will have been reduced to a monopole. Perhaps that is why the Christian God is a deity and Satan but a fallen angel. But with the elimination of Evil comes the elimination of Free Will, since there is no longer any conflict to be mediated. And so you are left with pure Good experienced by pure consciousness, not a trinity, not a duality, but the ONE. I did not try to capitalize those letters just now, at least not consciously. The ONE is the end goal. But Evil must be vanquished first. Evil is our enemy. Those who try to embrace the ONE now are premature and naive, you cannot have the ONE with Evil in the world. The end state could be called GOD. It is the universe's goal to create a state of eternal GOOD, same thing as GOD. The ancients sensed this. We'll have to transcend our evolution to reach such a state. There is too much evil built right into us because of natural selection. So the totality of being conspires with itself to create the ultimate state of eternal good. It's like GOD perfecting himself. The totality of being is GOD attempting to perfect himself. And the very act of him/it aiming upwards towards the better is what initiates the sequence in the first place, that is the will towards being.


    On the idea of self: You have Free Will, but what exactly it is that you are is a different question. You are certainly partaking in a slice of consciousness. But there can't be a set amount of consciousness. Obviously there's more overall consciousness with 8 billion humans than there is with 2 thousand. So you're not partaking of a pre-existing consciousness when you're born. That's where the reincarnationists go wrong. You are increasing the quantity of consciousness, partaking in its existence as a phenomenon. You are partaking in the phenomenon, not borrowing from some mystical force of consciousness that's already out there.
  2. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    12 Dec '19 03:59
    @yosiman
    Very long joke and no punchline.
  3. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    @yosiman said
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E230bIdk6Ps
    check that vid out if this text is too boring. It's worth your time.

    concise version:
    There is a trinity of forces (you could label this God or not, different discussion entirely, covered in tonight's writings) : consciousness, positive force, and negative force. Positive and Negative force are at eternal equilibrium in a sort ...[text shortened]... in the phenomenon, not borrowing from some mystical force of consciousness that's already out there.
    tl;dr
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    @handyandy said
    tl;dr
    LSD
  5. Subscriberrookie54
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    @yosiman

    needs more cowbell
  6. SubscriberSuzianne
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    @handyandy said
    tl;dr
    This.
  7. SubscriberPonderable
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    12 Dec '19 12:03
    This was the joke, Right?

    Consciousness is the prerequisite of existence

    So a rock doesn't exist because it has no Consciousness?
  8. Subscribersonhouse
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    And you know that because?😉
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    @yosiman said
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E230bIdk6Ps
    check that vid out if this text is too boring. It's worth your time.

    concise version:
    There is a trinity of forces (you could label this God or not, different discussion entirely, covered in tonight's writings) : consciousness, positive force, and negative force. Positive and Negative force are at eternal equilibrium in a sort ...[text shortened]... in the phenomenon, not borrowing from some mystical force of consciousness that's already out there.
    I could stomach only a minute of the video.

    I always worry when someone taps an index finger against their head...and brags about its contents.
  11. SubscriberPonderable
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    @sonhouse said
    @Ponderable
    And you know that because?😉
    I don't I quoted the OP
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