Originally posted by gambit3Well, I do know Russian and I have never heard of "Karaya One". But that doesn't mean it isn't a phrase...If you had the Russian spelling it would help.
Ja means yes. Dachshund means badger dog. Guten tag means good day. English is the only language I know.
Originally posted by mlpriorI read this when researching Erich Hartmann. I do not know if it is German or Russian. All I know is that when they stated that the "Karaya One" was sighted they fled the area because thay were afraid to engage Hartmann in battle.
Well, I do know Russian and I have never heard of "Karaya One". But that doesn't mean it isn't a phrase...If you had the Russian spelling it would help.
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Originally posted by gambit3Ask Nordlys. She's our resident language master.
I read this when researching Erich Hartmann. I do not know if it is German or Russian. All I know is that when they stated that the "Karaya One" was sighted they fled the area because thay were afraid to engage Hartmann in battle.
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Originally posted by gambit3"Karaya One" was Hartmann's radio call-sign.
I read this when researching Erich Hartmann. I do not know if it is German or Russian. All I know is that when they stated that the "Karaya One" was sighted they fled the area because thay were afraid to engage Hartmann in battle.
Like "Cessna one golf victor" or "Indian golf niner niner". An identifier basically.
Originally posted by mlpriorI read that the Russians fled the Karaya One till Hartmann gave up his Black Tulip designed BF 109. His new designed BF 109 gave him a plane that was not so easily recognized. It seems unlikely that the Karaya One was his code or call sign. Do you know for a fact that it is a call sign?
"Karaya One" was Hartmann's radio call-sign.
Like "Cessna one golf victor" or "Indian golf niner niner". An identifier basically.
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Originally posted by gambit3Absolutely.
I read that the Russians fled the Karaya One till Hartmann gave up his Black Tulip designed BF 109. His new designed BF 109 gave him a plane that was not so easily recognized. It seems unlikely that the Karaya One was his code or call sign. Do you know for a fact that it is a call sign?
There was a price on Hartmann's head, by the Soviet command.
Though when the Soviet fighters heard his call "Karaya One" or when they saw the Black Tulip, they would get out of the area.
Who can blame them?
Edit: Goggle it if you don't believe me.
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Originally posted by mlpriorIs a call sign the same thing as a code name? Still what does it mean? I understand that there was a $50,000 bounty for Hartmann's death. Probably few Ace fighter pilots could of had a chance to take Hartmann in aerial combat. P.S. I understand that bubi means boy.
Absolutely.
There was a price on Hartmann's head, by the Soviet command.
Though when the Soviet fighters heard his call "Karaya One" or when they saw the Black Tulip, they would get out of the area.
Who can blame them?
Edit: Goggle it if you don't believe me.
Originally posted by gambit3These references may help answer your questions:
Erich Alfred "Bubi" Hartmann aka "Karaya One". What does "bubi" and "karaya one" mean?
"III./JG 52's commander, Major Hubertus von Bonin, placed Hartmann under Oberfeldwebel Grislawski's wings. The miner's son Alfred Grislawski found a particular pleasure in teaching this newcomer the name of the game. He made a few mock combats with Hartmann. This relieved Hartmann of some of his ambitious ideas, but Grislawski had to admit that although Hartmann had a lot to learn about combat tactics, he was quite a talented pilot. The trouble began when they started flying combat missions together. Grislawski immediately noticed that the newcomer was one of those who thought they were going to "shoot together a Knight's Cross" in no time. During one incident, Hartmann had barely started to leave his place behind Grislawski to go after an I-16, when his earphones seemed to explode: "You bloody idiot! What the hell do you think you're doing? I'm your leader! Get back in place or I'll shoot you down myself!" Grislawski kept cursing over the R/T all the way back to base, and when they had landed, the Oberfeldwebel gave the Leutnant a dressing down that he would never forget. Then, in front of the sweating Hartmann, Grislawski turned to his friend "Paule" Rossmann and said: "Oh man, this is too much! What a baby they have sent us! Just look at his face - like a cute little boy!" From then on, Grislawski never addressed Hartmann as anything but Bubi, "little boy".
---From the book "Graf & Grislawski: A Pair of Aces" by Christer Bergström
"In 1944, Hartmann continued scoring at an even greater pace....In March, he reached 202 kills. By this time the Soviet pilots were familiar with Hartmann's radio call-sign of 'Karaya One' and the Soviet Command had put a price on the German pilot's head."
---Erich Hartmann: Wikipedia
For his extraordinary abilities in a black-nosed Messerschmitt 109, the Soviets dubbed Luftwaffe pilot Erich Hartmann Cherniye Chort or Black Devil, (a name which was wildly at variance with his radio call-sign 'Karaya [Sweetheart] One'😉 and placed a 10,000-ruble price on his head.
---http://usfighter.tripod.com/hartmann.htm
Also, check out the photo of Hartmann in his BF-109 with the painted heart pierced by an arrow with "Karaya" written underneath.
---http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/hartm/hartm1.htm
Originally posted by gambit3"Call sign" or "Code name" , whatever you want to call it.
Is a call sign the same thing as a code name? Still what does it mean? I understand that there was a $50,000 bounty for Hartmann's death. Probably few Ace fighter pilots could of had a chance to take Hartmann in aerial combat.
When you talk over a common frequency, you don't say, "Hey
Bob, get that Russian over there, will ya?"
There could be more than one Bob out there on the same frequency. So, you need to use a discrete call sign.
I'm guessing the chances of a pilot winning a dog fight with Hartmann were pretty slim. The price of loosing would most likey be death, I would think that would be a big deterrent.
His unit surrendered to the U.S. and he was turned over to USSR, where he spent 10 years in a POW camp.
Originally posted by Monty348Do Germans really say "bloody"? 10,000 rubles? Is that equal to $50,000 US dollars?
These references may help answer your questions:
"III./JG 52's commander, Major Hubertus von Bonin, placed Hartmann under Oberfeldwebel Grislawski's wings. The miner's son Alfred Grislawski found a particular pleasure in teaching this newcomer the name of the game. He made a few mock combats with Hartmann. This relieved Hartmann of some of his ambitious ...[text shortened]... n underneath.
---http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/hartm/hartm1.htm
Originally posted by mlpriorYes code names. I liked calling in to Ripsaw and Newcross in WW2 Fighters. We had a few Aces that I think could have killed Hartmann. One is Yeager and the other is Anderson. Germany had some Aces that could have taken Hartmann. I would not bet against Hartmann losing. He was a excellent Ace fighter pilot.
"Call sign" or "Code name" , whatever you want to call it.
When you talk over a common frequency, you don't say, "Hey
Bob, get that Russian over there, will ya?"
There could be more than one Bob out there on the same frequency. So, you need to use a discrete call sign.
I'm guessing the chances of a pilot winning a dog fight with Hartmann we ...[text shortened]... dered to the U.S. and he was turned over to USSR, where he spent 10 years in a POW camp.