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If a tree falls in a forest with no one there, does it make a sound?

Am I the only person who thinks the answer to this old cherub is simple and obvious?

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Originally posted by Beltaine
If a tree falls in a forest with no one there, does it make a sound?

Am I the only person who thinks the answer to this old cherub is simple and obvious?
Surely I'm not the only one thinking that you did not understand the question.

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Originally posted by Palynka
Surely I'm not the only one thinking that you did not understand the question.
Well, my answer to this is "No" because for a sound to be a sound it has to be heard. Without anyone there, all you have is pressure waves traveling through the air.
What's your alternative interpretation of the question?

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Originally posted by Beltaine
Well, my answer to this is "No" because for a sound to be a sound it has to be heard. Without anyone there, all you have is pressure waves traveling through the air.
What's your alternative interpretation of the question?
You've answered it then, haven't you?

What's your definition of noise?
Is it something that could be heard or is it something that is heard?

If your girlfriend sleeps with another guy and never tells you and you never find out. Did she cheat on you?

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If there's nobody there, how do you know the tree is there in its tree state?

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Originally posted by Beltaine
Well, my answer to this is "No" because for a sound to be a sound it has to be heard. Without anyone there, all you have is pressure waves traveling through the air.
What's your alternative interpretation of the question?
You're sticking to the literal meaning of the question. But why is that question even being asked?

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Originally posted by shavixmir
You've answered it then, haven't you?

What's your definition of noise?
Is it something that could be heard or is it something that is heard?

If your girlfriend sleeps with another guy and never tells you and you never find out. Did she cheat on you?
Yes I think I have answered it, but it's supposed to be hard or impossible to answer isn't it?
I think there are many different definitions for noise depending on the context. In the context of this discussion, I would say it's the same as sound. What do you think?
Potential isn't mentioned in the question - a tree falls, there is no one there. Those are clearly defined parameters.
In answer to the girlfriend question, I would say "yes" because she knows about it even if I don't.

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I'm all for passing a law prohibiting trees from falling in forests.

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Originally posted by mikelom
If there's nobody there, how do you know the tree is there in its tree state?
Because it tells you it's there in the question, and for it to fall, it first has to be standing.

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Originally posted by Palynka
You're sticking to the literal meaning of the question. But why is that question even being asked?
Well I think it's supposed to be a riddle, like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?"

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Originally posted by Beltaine
If a tree falls in a forest with no one there, does it make a sound?

Am I the only person who thinks the answer to this old cherub is simple and obvious?
Is an old cherub like an old chestnut? Or maybe a young chestnut?

Here's a thought from the late George Carlin: "If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?"

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Originally posted by HandyAndy
Is an old cherub like an old chestnut? Or maybe a young chestnut?

Here's a thought from the late George Carlin: "If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?"
Ha ha! Good one! :o)

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You have missed entirely the meaning of the question.

Is the human necessary for things to 'exist'?

Is thought preceding the material phenomena?

Are things really 'there', regardless of our presence?

Cogito ergo sum?

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Originally posted by Seitse
You have [b]missed entirely the meaning of the question.

Is the human necessary for things to 'exist'?

Is thought preceding the material phenomena?

Are things really 'there', regardless of our presence?

Cogito ergo sum?[/b]
Hey, I was about to reel him in. 😠

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Originally posted by Seitse
You have [b]missed entirely the meaning of the question.

Is the human necessary for things to 'exist'?

Is thought preceding the material phenomena?

Are things really 'there', regardless of our presence?

Cogito ergo sum?[/b]
Ah! So you're saying it's really all about solipsism? If it is, then I can think of better ways of framing the question.