Originally posted by wormwoodA classic example would be the infamous screensavers or "check this out" from your buddy (its not really your buddy but viruses and trojans copy themselves to everyone on your friends list) which when you open install malware automatically and then send them themselves onwards.
you know, I never understood how having ie integrated was supposed to prevent people from using any other browser? even if it wasn't integrated, it would naturally come bundled with the os, would it not? so where would be the difference?
I guess you could argue from a philosophical stance that an integrated browser is less modular. but well, you'd also h ...[text shortened]... shady software, keep your system patched, and you'll never have real security problems.
This is a combination of social engineering, and exploiting the non-security design of MS products.
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Originally posted by ludzHow do you sleep at night?
A classic example would be the infamous screensavers or "check this out" from your buddy (its not really your buddy but viruses and trojans copy themselves to everyone on your friends list) which when you open install malware automatically and then send them themselves onwards.
This is a combination of social engineering, and exploiting the non-security design of MS products.
Originally posted by ludzyeah but that relies on the user deliberately running shady programs, and NO security approach (short of denying the right to run programs, which btw is the ms default nowadays) can prevent that.
A classic example would be the infamous screensavers or "check this out" from your buddy (its not really your buddy but viruses and trojans copy themselves to everyone on your friends list) which when you open install malware automatically and then send them themselves onwards.
This is a combination of social engineering, and exploiting the non-security design of MS products.
Originally posted by ludzI've used ie since 1995, and my scans always come clean as well. the only virus I've ever had, came from running a shady program which I knew might have something. it was about 5 years ago, and totally self-inflicted.
I sleep well at night. Considering that I don't use IE to surf the web except where absolutely necessary. All my spyware/virus scans come out clean.
I've naturally had adware like everybody who insists on trying out all kinds of silly little gadgets daily, but nothing serious, and never because my browser or OS had a security weakness.
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Originally posted by ludzyou cant always just install firefox... sorry, but you knowledge on this is limited... from a corporate point of view, windows server would customise every pc that's running i.e... (i.e. home page, proxy server... etc)... if you were running your wonderful firefox instead you would have to go round every pc updating the home page and all its settings to match the business as it cant be done directly from windows server.... i'm not even sure if you can do it from a unix server.... yes, firefox is great on a standalone pc, or a workgroup, but more than 10 users it starts to lose its use
I don't disagree that Microsoft have made a contribution to computing but we all know that the problem with IE is that it is joined to the hip with the OS. In an ideal world where there are no bad guys online this would work, but not when guys realise they can get you to install browser hijackers or trojans.
I was looking at a computer in a public place the ...[text shortened]... ls which are then vulnerable to the baddies.
[b]At the end of the day, who is the loser?[/b]
Originally posted by eatmybishopPerhaps that's the problem with IE. Because the OS is joined at the hip with IE, users are forced to use it and not think of securing themselves or any alternatives. The court rulings that MS has to unbundle its media player means that its media player has to stand up over the free alternatives.
you cant always just install firefox... sorry, but you knowledge on this is limited... from a corporate point of view, windows server would customise every pc that's running i.e... (i.e. home page, proxy server... etc)... if you were running your wonderful firefox instead you would have to go round every pc updating the home page and all its settings to ...[text shortened]... is great on a standalone pc, or a workgroup, but more than 10 users it starts to lose its use
Originally posted by ludzwhat you dont realise is i use firefox at home because i think it is better than i.e.... however, it is not perfect and to contradict what you say, it can install spyware and adware
Perhaps that's the problem with IE. Because the OS is joined at the hip with IE, users are forced to use it and not think of securing themselves or any alternatives. The court rulings that MS has to unbundle its media player means that its media player has to stand up over the free alternatives.