Originally posted by StarrmanI don't know what you and Sister Nordwhale mean by 'hero'. If you mean 'person to emulate', then I agree. If you mean 'person to respect and think is awesome' or 'person whose actions are admirable and can be learnt from' or 'people who embody valued ideals' then I don't see how having heroes is indicative of unwillingess to follow individual desires. IN fact, choosing legitimate desires is something we learn almost entirely from others in some way or another.
Heroes are for people who are too scared to follow their own desires.
Having this sort of hero is different from mindless worship of people without criticism or regard to their human flaws, which I agree is silly. I have a few heroes by the second three definitions I gave; a current one is Sasha Ivanov, whose lectures I attended last term and who fits all three of those definitions.
Originally posted by royalchickenbeautiful, neat portrait of ideas... agreed... and rec'd
I don't know what you and Sister Nordwhale mean by 'hero'. If you mean 'person to emulate', then I agree. If you mean 'person to respect and think is awesome' or 'person whose actions are admirable and can be learnt from' or 'people who embody valued ideals' then I don't see how having heroes is indicative of unwillingess to follow individual desires. ...[text shortened]... ov, whose lectures I attended last term and who fits all three of those definitions.
sadly, discussions like this one give chance to motivational, shallow phrases for hallmark calendars 😉
'Be your own hero', 'follow your dreams', 'don't be afraid', etc. etc.
Originally posted by royalchickenWell, then you use the word "hero" differently from how I understand it. There are persons I respect and find awesome, persons whose actions I find admirable and something to learn from, and persons who embody valued ideals, but I wouldn't call them "heroes".
I don't know what you and Sister Nordwhale mean by 'hero'. If you mean 'person to emulate', then I agree. If you mean 'person to respect and think is awesome' or 'person whose actions are admirable and can be learnt from' or 'people who embody valued ideals' then I don't see how having heroes is indicative of unwillingess to follow individual desires. ...[text shortened]... ov, whose lectures I attended last term and who fits all three of those definitions.
I don't quite understand what you mean by this sentence: "IN fact, choosing legitimate desires is something we learn almost entirely from others in some way or another." Can you elaborate? What do you mean by "legitimate desires"?
....i like teddy roosevelt...he stood up for the working man against the great economic monopolies of his time...he built the panama canal...he fixed the new york police force ( the first to hire jewish and
female police )...he created more federal parkland than any president....he won a medal by actually fighting at san juan hill....he
rebuilt the american navy and sailed it around the world as the great white fleet against the force of european empire expansion...he made
decisions and was not a namby pamby girly man...
