Colorado ‘KitchenAid Mixer Crew’ argues for lesser charge because stolen goods were on sale
Colorado attorneys for two men accused of stealing items from Kohl’s, including KitchenAid appliances, argued for lesser charges during the trial because some items their clients stole were on sale.
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-kitchenaid-mixer-crew-argues-002925457.html
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I thought it was a joke, at first lol
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@earl-of-trumps saidI wonder if they plugged them in to see if they were maybe broken, that would be no charges.
Colorado ‘KitchenAid Mixer Crew’ argues for lesser charge because stolen goods were on sale
Colorado attorneys for two men accused of stealing items from Kohl’s, including KitchenAid appliances, argued for lesser charges during the trial because some items their clients stole were on sale.
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-kitchenaid-mixer-crew-argues-002925457.html
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I thought it was a joke, at first lol
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@earl-of-trumps said"Under Colorado law, theft less than $2,000 is a misdemeanor offense, while theft between $2,000 and $5,000 is a felony — prosecutors valued the items stolen by the duo at just under $2,095."
Colorado ‘KitchenAid Mixer Crew’ argues for lesser charge because stolen goods were on sale
The items were valued at less than $2,000 when the offence was committed, so the attorneys argued that it was a misdemeanor and not a felony.
If I were Michael Green and Byron Bolden's attorney, and if I was doing my job with integrity, I too would have argued that it was a misdemeanor and not a felony, would you have not done the same thing?
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@fmf saidSo do you think setting a $2000. and down misdemeanor charge is a positive thing in the right direction? Just curious.
"Under Colorado law, theft less than $2,000 is a misdemeanor offense, while theft between $2,000 and $5,000 is a felony — prosecutors valued the items stolen by the duo at just under $2,095."
The items were valued at less than $2,000 when the offence was committed, so the attorneys argued that it was a misdemeanor and not a felony.
If I were Michael Green and Byron ...[text shortened]... ould have argued that it was a misdemeanor and not a felony, would you have not done the same thing?
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@mike69 saidI think the thieves' attorneys have to do the best job they can for their clients and follow, and argue, the law as it stands. And I don't think attorneys doing their job professionally and with integrity ~ and in accordance with the law ~ is something that happens "only in America".
So do you think setting a $2000. and down misdemeanor charge is a positive thing in the right direction? Just curious.
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I think the thieves' attorneys have to do the best job they can for their clients and follow, and argue, the law as it stands. And I don't think attorneys doing their job professionally and with integrity ~ and in accordance with the law ~ is something that happens "only in America".
Attorneys working with integrity while following the law, whether as defence attorneys or as prosecutors ~ yes ~ most certainly a "positive thing".
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@fmf saidI understand and agree except with the last part. So I’m taking it you understand how silly that law is. They could ask California how it’s working out for them.
I think the thieves' attorneys have to do the best job they can for their clients and follow, and argue, the law as it stands. And I don't think attorneys doing their job professionally and with integrity ~ and in accordance with the law ~ is something that happens "only in America".
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@mike69 saidI don't think it's "silly". I think it makes sense to have a cut-off point between felonies and misdemeanors. Where that cut-off point should be is up to the citizens and the lawmakers they elect.
I understand and agree except with the last part. So I’m taking it you understand how silly that law is. They could ask California how it’s working out for them.
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@earl-of-trumps saidDoesn’t this type of bargaining happen a lot in criminal cases?
Colorado ‘KitchenAid Mixer Crew’ argues for lesser charge because stolen goods were on sale
Colorado attorneys for two men accused of stealing items from Kohl’s, including KitchenAid appliances, argued for lesser charges during the trial because some items their clients stole were on sale.
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-kitchenaid-mixer-crew-argues-002925457.html
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I thought it was a joke, at first lol
@divegeester saidThe supposed "Only in America" angle has a whiff of parochialism to it.
Doesn’t this type of bargaining happen a lot in criminal cases?
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@earl-of-trumps saidIf the thieves had stolen the same items from a private home, the value assessed (for example by an insurance company) would not be what the owners actually paid for them, but the cost to replace them. Hence, having bought them on sale would be irrelevant. Same should apply to stealing from a store.
Colorado ‘KitchenAid Mixer Crew’ argues for lesser charge because stolen goods were on sale
Colorado attorneys for two men accused of stealing items from Kohl’s, including KitchenAid appliances, argued for lesser charges during the trial because some items their clients stole were on sale.
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-kitchenaid-mixer-crew-argues-002925457.html
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I thought it was a joke, at first lol
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@moonbus saidA parallel maybe: if I kill someone - even if it was not my intention - it is still murder unless it was self-defense.
If the thieves had stolen the same items from a private home, the value assessed (for example by an insurance company) would not be what the owners actually paid for them, but the cost to replace them. Hence, having bought them on sale would be irrelevant. Same should apply to stealing from a store.