Originally posted by shortcircuitwhat a bunch of Bull shot
Come on now. Obviously you aren't too knowledgeable of the game. Before you call someone a bonehead, you might want to make sure you are not the real bonehead (as you are in this case).
go back for the past 5 years.
how many times have the yankees got into the playoffs?
how many times has boston
how many times has LAA?
Now, if you're a fan of the OTHER teams in the AL, what would make you think your team has any chance of making the playoffs unless you happen to be in the AL Central??
Bonehead.
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Originally posted by sh76i guess you couldn't read the (barring injury etc of course).
Because the Mets, of course, you know, are in the playoffs every year; right?
Um, you do realize the mets had massive injuries this year right? or were you not paying attention....and they SHOULD have been in the playoffs if they hadn't collapsed at the end for the past couple of years.
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Originally posted by uzlessSorry. I don't agree at all.
what a bunch of Bull shot
go back for the past 5 years.
how many times have the yankees got into the playoffs?
how many times has boston
how many times has LAA?
Now, if you're a fan of the OTHER teams in the AL, what would make you think your team has any chance of making the playoffs unless you happen to be in the AL Central??
Bonehead.
It's completely unfair to say the Angels are where they are because of payroll. They are a great team with one of the greatest managers in the game. The same goes for Boston and NYY -- those are teams that succeed not just because of payroll. The fan base is great, players want to play there, the organizations are top-notch, the managers are good, etc.
You cannot buy yourself a ticket to the playoffs.
You can certainly buy players, as the Yankees have done for many years, but it's up to the manager and the players to perform at a higher level.
Teams like the Cubs, Mets, Mariners, Tigers, Astros spend a LOT of money but are never guaranteed to win their division while low-spending teams in smaller markets like the Rockies, Cardinals and Twins seem like perrennial successes.
It's too easy to blame a team's success on high payroll and neglect the high payroll failures or blame their failures on injuries.
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Originally posted by uzlessYou miss the point and also have too short a memory.
i guess you couldn't read the (barring injury etc of course).
Um, you do realize the mets had massive injuries this year right? or were you not paying attention....and they SHOULD have been in the playoffs if they hadn't collapsed at the end for the past couple of years.
The Mets are in the Top 3 in payroll every year but have only made the playoffs twice this decade. Once in 2006 (when they were 5th as opposed to their regular 3rd spot) and once in 2000 as a wild card.
The Yankees, who have had the highest payroll for several years are playing in their first World Series in 6 years. They didn't make the playoffs last year.
Originally posted by uzlessDumba$$....why do you insist on moaning about who makes the playoffs? There are 8 teams that make it and you named 3. How many of them won the series??
what a bunch of Bull shot
go back for the past 5 years.
how many times have the yankees got into the playoffs?
how many times has boston
how many times has LAA?
Now, if you're a fan of the OTHER teams in the AL, what would make you think your team has any chance of making the playoffs unless you happen to be in the AL Central??
Bonehead.
The ring is the prize. The Marlins won one since the yankees did. Or are they big market now? Tampa made it to the series last year...not the Yankees, Boston or LAA. Are they big market? Pull your head out and listen.
Originally posted by darvlayThose are world series champs. Include the payrolls of the OTHER teams that made the playoffs for a true comparison.
2004 - Boston Red Sox (2nd in payroll)
2005 - Chicago White Sox (13th in payroll)
2006 - St Louis Cardinals (11th in payroll)
2007 - Boston Red Sox (2nd in payroll)
2008 - Philadelphia Phillies (13th in payroll)
You can't win the WS if you don't make the playoffs in the first place.
Originally posted by uzlessYou seem to discount the player personnel, the farm systems, and the management of the teams. His argument does contain merit that you seem to discount. The Mets, with one of the highest payrolls only made the playoffs twice in the last decade and never won the World Series, while the Florida Marlins, one of the lowest payrolls, made the playoffs twice and won the World Series. Same percentages, yet the lower salaried team outperformed the higher salaried team for the same duration.
ONLY TWICE???
haha, how many times have most other lower payroll teams made the playoffs??
zero!!
Part of this is due to the mismanagement of the team. Part is due to injuries. Part is due to lower performance of the players.
Of your higher priced payrolls, the Cubs have made less playoff appearances than the Brewers over the same period of time. This goes against your argument. Atlanta still has a huge payroll and yet their performance has diminished as the players have aged and through attrition of the free agent market. I can cite more examples, but I think you can see why many of us do not share your opinion about the dollars spent equating to success.