Originally posted by darvlayI think it wuld be obvious to anyone that those of us wanting to remember Bobby are not seeking to celebrate anti-semitism, anti-americanism, or mental illness.
He's questioning your ability to reconcile your stance against the BWA with your want to memorialize an anti-semite and anti-american.
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Originally posted by kirksey957I think you would have to...you would have to say something about his mental problems and the outrageous things he said. You could not get around that. But, you owuld also recognize that he was a fabulous chess player, perhaps the best of all time.
If you were to eulogize Bobby Fischer, would you mention any of the "bad stuff"?
Kasparov had this to day:
"The tragedy is that he left this world too early, and his extravagant life and scandalous statements did not contribute to the popularity of chess,"
Originally posted by Red NightWhat mental problems?
I think you would have to...you would have to say something about his mental problems and the outrageous things he said. You could not get around that. But, you owuld also recognize that he was a fabulous chess player, perhaps the best of all time.
Kasparov had this to day:
"The tragedy is that he left this world too early, and his extravagant life and scandalous statements did not contribute to the popularity of chess,"
Originally posted by darvlayMaybe...he was, I think, largely undiagnosed. But, paranoid schizophrenia seems like a possibility.
Are you saying Bobby Fischer was a Paranoid Schizophrenic?
Raymond Keene had this to say:
"He was the pride and sorrow of chess. It's tragic that such a great man descended into madness and anti-Semitism."
Originally posted by Red NightDa Vinci, Michalangelo, Degas, Van Gogh, all you weirdos - as considered insane in your time............ all is forgiven..... Bobby Fischer never went fishing!........ Bow Locks to this thread! So he's dead! So what.?? Hum....... What did he teach you on how to live and be a professional chess player??.... answers on a post card please.... 1mmx1mm is fine!
Maybe...he was, I think, largely undiagnosed. But, paranoid schizophrenia seems like a possibility.
Raymond Keene had this to say:
"He was the pride and sorrow of chess. It's tragic that such a great man descended into madness and anti-Semitism."
😏😏😏........... stamp must be 2mmx2mm... and no kettles as gift pls........ taaa laas 😉
Originally posted by Red NightNot only was he nuts, he was a slob. Look at the pics lately, he had to have birds or rodents nesting in all that matted hair. 😞
Maybe...he was, I think, largely undiagnosed. But, paranoid schizophrenia seems like a possibility.
Raymond Keene had this to say:
"He was the pride and sorrow of chess. It's tragic that such a great man descended into madness and anti-Semitism."
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Originally posted by Red NightOf course any thinking person would have to take an objective view.
I think you would have to...you would have to say something about his mental problems and the outrageous things he said. You could not get around that. But, you owuld also recognize that he was a fabulous chess player, perhaps the best of all time.
Kasparov had this to day:
"The tragedy is that he left this world too early, and his extravagant life and scandalous statements did not contribute to the popularity of chess,"
The 'feet of clay syndrome' always comes into play with the public's
assessment of those who walked among us and were truly great...
Winston Churchill, Teddy Rooseveldt, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, even
the Apostle Paul (just to identify a familiar few) evidenced critical
flaws of character, behavioral excesses and screwed up decisions.
Personal weaknesses and idiosyncrasies are not the point though.
We respect and admire their unique genius, gritty persistence,
inimitable style, remarkable achievements and net contributions
to the human experience in spite of their frailties and shortcomings.
The weak always attack personalities that threaten their vapid egos.
The strong deal constructively with issues. One issue is greatness!
London Born (February 28, 1909) Poet Stephen Spender wrote:
"I think continually upon those who were truly great..."
Nuff said...
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI agree, and posted this in the chess forum equivalent of this thread:-
Of course any thinking person would have to take an objective view.
The 'feet of clay syndrome' always comes into play with the public's
assessment of those who walked among us and were truly great...
Winston Churchill, Teddy Rooseveldt, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, even
the Apostle Paul (just to identify a familiar few) evidenced critical
fl ...[text shortened]... der wrote:
"I think continually upon those who were truly great..."
Nuff said...
I am not interested in the ramblings of an ill old man. He is only on our radar because of chess. Chess is his legacy.
On that subject alone, some of his quotes, and the quotes of some contempories are a fitting epitaph.
“All I want to do, ever, is just play Chess”
(Bobby Fischer)
“It’s just you and your opponent at the board and you're trying to prove something”
(Bobby Fischer)
“You have to have the fighting spirit. You have
to force moves and take chances”
(Bobby Fischer)
“Bobby just drops the pieces and they fall on the right squares”
(Miguel Najdorf)
“Do you realize Fischer almost never has any bad pieces? He exchanges them, and the bad pieces remain with his opponents”
(Yuri Balashov)
“You know you're going to lose. Even when I was ahead I knew I
was going to lose” --on playing against Fischer
(Andrew Soltis)
“It began to feel as though you were playing against Chess itself”
--on playing against Robert Fischer
(Walter Shipman)
“When you play Bobby, it is not a question if you win or lose.
It is a question if you survive”
(Boris Spassky)
“In Fischer's hands, a slight theoretical advantage
is as good a being a Queen ahead”
(Isaac Kashdan)
“Bobby is the most misunderstood, misquoted celebrity
walking the face of this earth”
(Yasser Seirawan)
“Fischer prefers to enter Chess history alone”
(Miguel Najdorf)
“By this measure (on the gap between Fischer & his contemporaries),
I consider him the greatest world champion”
(Garry Kasparov)
“Many Chess players were surprised when after the game, Fischer quietly explained: 'I had already analyzed this possibility' in a position
which I thought was not possible to foresee from the opening”
(Mikhail Tal)
“No other master has such a terrific will to win. At the board he radiates danger, and even the strongest opponents tend to freeze, like rabbits when they smell a panther. Even his weaknesses are dangerous. As white, his opening game is predictable - you can make plans against it - but so strong that your plans almost never work. In the middle game his precision and invention are fabulous, and in the end game you simply cannot beat him”
Enough said
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Originally posted by Policestatekinell! Is that it?
I agree, and posted this in the chess forum equivalent of this thread:-
I am not interested in the ramblings of an ill old man. He is only on our radar because of chess. Chess is his legacy.
On that subject alone, some of his quotes, and the quotes of some contempories are a fitting epitaph.
“All I want to do, ever, is just play Chess”
(Bobby pirit. You have
to force moves and take chances”
(Bobby Fischer) etc etc
Enough said
I made more meaningful statements in work meetings!
Like design the fkr right. Don't kill people cos the airbag is 5mm too car rearward. Move the wheel down...... the DAB hasn't enough deployment space..........blah blah blah.....
Take a chance on an 8mm Torx head... we'll test it.
You make him sound like a hero........ he moved a few of a few!
So sensitive to this site he may be....... however, there are more sensitive things that you never see!.... Like a car crash test and me, and the notes of correct is always he!! 😛
Oscar.. 😉