18 Jan 04
Hi--------I'm pretty new here so I'm probably wrong in my understanding of the scoring system but it appears that there is little incentive or reward for a player like myself rated at 1130 to play someone rated at 3500. Can someone tell me how much my rating will change from 1130 with a win or a loss if I play someone much higher. thanks frank
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by vanmolThere would be a great incentive but of course with that difference in ratings you would be VERY unlikely to win anyway 🙂
Hi--------I'm pretty new here so I'm probably wrong in my understanding of the scoring system but it appears that there is little incentive or reward for a player like myself rated at 1130 to play someone rated at 3500. Can someone tell me how much my rating will change from 1130 with a win or a loss if I play someone much higher. thanks frank
Basically the higher your opponent is ranked relative to you the more your rating increase (and theirs decreases)... there is a maximum movement of something like 30 or so points though for each game.
Andrew
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by RhymesterRatings are safe.Your question is correct and Andrew answered it correctly.
There would be a great incentive but of course with that difference in ratings you would be VERY unlikely to win anyway 🙂
Basically the higher your opponent is ranked relative to you the more your rating increase (and theirs decreases)... there is a maximum movement of something like 30 or so points though for each game.
Andrew
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by vanmolWrong! There is tremendous incentive and reward for playing highly rated players even when one loses. The incentive is to get better and what better way than to play players who will challenge your strength. Some of the nicest people are "at the top" and to me that is the reward. Kirk
Hi--------I'm pretty new here so I'm probably wrong in my understanding of the scoring system but it appears that there is little incentive or reward for a player like myself rated at 1130 to play someone rated at 3500. Can someone tell me how much my rating will change from 1130 with a win or a loss if I play someone much higher. thanks frank
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by kirksey957You idealist.As if he could get a rated game after played 6 won 3 lost 3
Wrong! There is tremendous incentive and reward for playing highly rated players even when one loses. The incentive is to get better and what better way than to play players who will challenge your strength. Some of the nicest people are "at the top" and to me that is the reward. Kirk
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by missleadOK, look at my record (the most mediocre on the site I might add) and look who I played. David Tebb, bbarr, Fernando, ThePO, Edmond Dantes, Fievel, Sintubin, LittleBear, pradtf, and the mighty Schleimann. All losses of course. But I'm still smiling. 🙂
You idealist.As if he could get a rated game after played 6 won 3 lost 3
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by kirksey957It is a case of objectivity not subjectivity you name dropper.All those names could have been a list.You had to put in mighty.
OK, look at my record (the most mediocre on the site I might add) and look who I played. David Tebb, bbarr, Fernando, ThePO, Edmond Dantes, Fievel, Sintubin, LittleBear, pradtf, and the mighty Schleimann. All losses of course. But I'm still smiling. 🙂
19 Jan 04
my proudest chess moment ever is when i was under the name mikal 182. i beat the might sintubin after he beat me more than a couple of games. the site had not been up that long ast the time. i had no idea that when i came back sintubin would be number 14 on the top list. i am extremley proud to have beaten him
19 Jan 04
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk,
OK, look at my record (the most mediocre on the site I might add) and look who I played. David Tebb, bbarr, Fernando, ThePO, Edmond Dantes, Fievel, Sintubin, LittleBear, pradtf, and the mighty Schleimann. All losses of course. But I'm still smiling. 🙂
I've played the Mighty Schleimann many times and have never won. He said I was improving, but that still didn't give me much confidence. I don't think I've every won a game from you Kirk! 🙂
I just enjoy the game and the friends I've made here. A great site and no matter what my record shows or how poor my rating is, I'll continue to play here. Too many good experiences and memories to give it up. Of course, I still have dreams of being #1. LOL They only dreams though. 🙁
Doug
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by FlashYea, verily, the last shall be first, my brother. 🙂
Kirk,
I've played the Mighty Schleimann many times and have never won. He said I was improving, but that still didn't give me much confidence. I don't think I've every won a game from you Kirk! 🙂
I just enjoy the game and the friends I've made here. A great site and no matter what my record shows or how poor my rating is, I'll continue to play ...[text shortened]... e it up. Of course, I still have dreams of being #1. LOL There only dreams though. 🙁
Doug
19 Jan 04
I understand the (feeling good) when you can beat a much better player and the experience gaimed but I still would like to be rewarded with more that just a maximum of 30 points. Yes I understand that a win against a highly reated player is unlikely but if it happens why not a substantial reward?
19 Jan 04
Originally posted by vanmolThe formulas to change rates after a game have been developed in such a way that the match is fair. That means that the probability of winning multiplied by the amount of points won balances the probability of drawing multiplied by the points won (for the lower rated) or lost (for the higher rated) as well as the probability of losing multiplied by the amount of points lost.
I understand the (feeling good) when you can beat a much better player and the experience gaimed but I still would like to be rewarded with more that just a maximum of 30 points. Yes I understand that a win against a highly reated player is unlikely but if it happens why not a substantial reward?
Any deviation of that would only make it less likely that a high rated player would want to play a low rated player, or vice versa.
On top of that you have the fact that for new players, the rating may not be a good representation of the playing strength, which is often a lot higher. That adds to the risk for the higher rated player. The 'provisional' rating system is an attempt to limit that risk, and bring a new player faster to his realistic rating.