Originally posted by bbarrIt seemed to me that pabbi was criticizing one man's lack of intelligence and respect for life, using parody. He wasn't attacking the US or soldiers losing their lives in Iraq. Who can you make fun of if not the people and institutions which make our lives hell? I have a very low opinion of John Howard and his decisions yet I am proudly Australian. My friend is also proudly Australian yet he has toilet paper with John Howard smiling his ingratiating little smirk and the message: "wipe the grin off his face."
Being opposed to Bush's foreign policy and the war in Iraq doesn't entail that one is anti-american. I read that profile and it seemed like satire, which is an honored institution in US political discourse. Perhaps pabbi thinks that Bush et. al. treat soldiers as chess pieces rather than persons; that they don't consistently recognize the value of the lives of persons. This seems just as plausible as claiming that pabbi is simply anti-american.
its ok slim. i just got mad because the profile hit close to home for me thats all. ya i dont like it but there isnt anything i can do about it. you are right thet probably didnt wear the uniform. but that is why we wear it so other people dont have to. i just thought they were taking it lightly. nothing more
mike
Originally posted by slimjimi think you are confusing imperialism with colonisation.
So whats your point? 1. The US is not going to keep Iraq. They plan on turning it over to them for self rule. The sooner the better.
2. The US withdrew forces from Grenada, Panama, Haiti and they have self rule. How do you figure the US is trying to slam down their politics down countries th ...[text shortened]... ss you mean the war in Iraq. Well we should have finished it in 92, instead of bowing to the UN.
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I do get worried when I see threads like this.
Please, to question the actions of your government is healthy, its part of the democratic process. You question the actions of your government, if you do not like the answers you vote for the other guy. Someone who questions the ligitamacy of your government is not also questioning the ligitamacy of your nation. Is the Bush administration a true reflection of the beliefs of the majority of American citizens, or does it just highlight the failure of the American political system to connect with the voting populace combined with the increasing influence of corporate money?
Very few people hate America full stop, those that do are very foolish and proably slightly dangerous. That said, there are many people who dislike certain things about America. Now there are lots of reasons for this, and most of them are due to a simple lack of information of both sides. The fact remains that America is different to a lot of other countries, thats good and bad. Its good as you can define your selves as American and we can define ourselves in our own ways. There is nothing wrong with this, and its human nature to be suspicious of things that are different to what we know.
But please, lets all respect our differneces. If you really think Bush was appointed by god through the will of the American people, and that the policies he is carring out are right, just and of christian chracter, well thats fine. But, just as you have the right to think that someone else has the right to disagree with it. As America is a free nation, a defender of free speach and liberty, it must also be anti American to try and censure those who may disagree with the US government?
I suppose another way of looking at it is, ff a good friend told you your zipper was undone would you take it as a personal insult? Maybe thats just how you should see the rest of the worlds concerns over Bush and how he is projecting the image of America on the world scene. Were not against you, were just drawing your attention to something you might not have realised.
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Originally posted by latex bishopWell apparantly the majority of the American people support Bush. He is gonna get elected again. My complaint is you don't see too many Americans badmouthing someone else's government.
I do get worried when I see threads like this.
Please, to question the actions of your government is healthy, its part of the democratic process. You question the actions of your government, if you do not like the answers you vote for the other guy. Someone who questions the ligitamacy of your government is not also questioning the ligitamacy of you ...[text shortened]... ainst you, were just drawing your attention to something you might not have realised.
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Originally posted by slimjimI think you will find that the majority of American people did not support Bush, I think Al Gore actually had the majority of the vote.
Well apparantly the majority of the American people support Bush. He is gonna get elected again. My complaint is you don't see too many Americans badmouthing someone else's government.
America (Read: Bush propaganda) has "bad mouthed" a lot of governments, by firstly choosing to ignore the ligitamcy of the UN, and secondly, by publically attacking any government that would not support their pro war stance. Bush's "Your either with us or with the terrorists" approach can hardly be called respecting the rights of foreign goverments to have opinions or policy divergent to that of the interests of the united states.
Again, this is not anti american. If Bush fails to win the election, this will not be anti-american either 🙂 I just hope good old GWB cares as much about you as you seem to care about him.
Andrew
Originally posted by latex bishopFor the "Second" time in US history, the guy who won the "popular" vote failed to get the Presidency. The first was when Nixon Beat Kennedy in the popular vote in the 1960 election. The difference is that Nixon understood that we are a republic and that ELECTORS FROM EACH STATE name the president. He understood that he had to abide by law. He understood that to protest, only hurt the society. The supreme court also knows the constitution. The Florida court doesn't. They are political hacks. It has nothing to do with the number of votes. There is one vote for each member of THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Period. That is the difference between what WE ARE and what the world thinks we are. Gore understood this too, but he tried to steal the election. That is why he is a fat, blown up characature of a human being at this point in his drug saddened life.
I think you will find that the majority of American people did not support Bush, I think Al Gore actually had the majority of the vote.
America (Read: Bush propaganda) has "bad mouthed" a lot of governments, by firstly choosing to ignore the ligitamcy of the UN, and secondly, by publically attacking any government that would not support their pro w ...[text shortened]... her 🙂 I just hope good old GWB cares as much about you as you seem to care about him.
Andrew
Hope that a little knowledge helps. It can't hurt. Right? If you think so then study WHY we established a REPUBLIC instead of a "democracy".
Thanks, Mike
Originally posted by latex bishopWhy don't you worry about what Tony Blair is doing. I'll worry about what Bush is doing in my country, or is England some kind of Utopia?😵
I think you will find that the majority of American people did not support Bush, I think Al Gore actually had the majority of the vote.
America (Read: Bush propaganda) has "bad mouthed" a lot of governments, by firstly choosing to ignore the ligitamcy of the UN, and secondly, by publically attacking any government that would not support their pro w ...[text shortened]... her 🙂 I just hope good old GWB cares as much about you as you seem to care about him.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyMike,
Hope that a little knowledge helps. It can't hurt. Right? If you think so then study WHY we established a REPUBLIC instead of a "democracy".
Thanks, Mike
I agree, my statement in reponse to the post above mine is also correct though. The majority of Americans who voted, did vote for Gore not Bush. 😉
America is not alone in these anomolies when votes get translated into political power. The "third" party in British Elections never gets seats in parliament proportinal to the the vote the public give them. They tend to come second in most seats, winning hardly any outright. Out of over 600 seats in parliament the liberal party would be lucky to get 30 seats for 26% of the vote, whereas, the Conservative or Labour party would convert 26% of the vote into over 230 seats in parliament.
This is harldy fair or just either. But the alternative is weak governemnts that solve little and have no real power to change things.
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Originally posted by slimjimMy concern is what Mr Bush is doing in other peoples countries rather than his own.
Why don't you worry about what Tony Blair is doing. I'll worry about what Bush is doing in my country, or is England some kind of Utopia?😵
I do worry about Tony these days, I feel he has drifted off the plot, he has been dazzeld by the bright lights of America and it could cost him his job. Which is a cause of great convern to me given the alternative tory governemnt.
Britain is far from a utopia.
Originally posted by latex bishopAndrew,
Mike,
I agree, my statement in reponse to the post above mine is also correct though. The majority of Americans who voted, did vote for Gore not Bush. 😉
America is not alone in these anomolies when votes get translated into poli ...[text shortened]... ittle and have no real power to change things.
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This is done with reason and purpose. Do you realize now easy it would be to "steal" an election otherwise?
Much thought<edit spelling> went into the idea that even if the popular vote is stolen, the "honorable" electors will cast their vote correctly. The frightening thing is that Gore tried to subvert this by offering florida electors jobs in his government. Think about that.
It is amazing what these creeps try, now that our education system has gone to hell.
In my day... (nixon)... we would have lynched the bastard had he tried what Gore almost got away with. Tricky Dicky knew it. AND SO DID THE ELECTORATE. Now, we have people... like you... and half the voting populace of our nation who don't understand the constitution ... using the popular vote against justice. Go figure.
Mike
<edit> as a Post Script... Kennedy actually DID steal the 1960 election by virtue of the Chicago mob... sometimes known as the Chicago Democratic Machine. This is PROVEN history now. Strange how thing prove out in the end. And to make it more funny... Richard Daily's son is now the chief mobster in charge. Weird. Had not the mob voted "severally" as the investigating committee now reports... Nixon would have won handily. No Viet Nam. Nixon would have listened to Eisenhour. No Pol Pot, because no Jimmy Carter. No Edi Amin because no Jimmy Carter. No peace medal for Jimmy C, but that is a good trade off...
As a side note... Gore "employed" the same "agency" that came up with the slogan for Ford Motors... "Quality Is Job One!"
For the same reason. If your quality is "last" in the world... tell everyone that it is "Job One". Gore , who tried to steal the election got "Bush Stole It" from that same agency. (Thank You, Communist Detroit) May Gore rest in hell. And may the rest of us actually care enough to discover this crap on our own. That is the only way we can know it is true... and prevent the bastards from succeeding in stealing the most powerful office on earth.