21 Jul 05
Originally posted by CenterNutYou can use Chess programs as a tool for analize games and play positions you can reach in your openings, find novelties, but if you beat a chess engine or not it doesn't mean you are improving, cause chess engines can beat best players now.
I got it today 😀
They say this is the most powerful chess engine for PC and was only engine to draw against hydra.
I have fritz 8, hiarc's, chessmaster 10th edition & shredder 9 now.
And still can't beat any 🙁
But I'm getting there my d4 opening repertoire is getting narsty 🙂
Instead if you use well you can see good results against Humans.
GL with your software.
22 Jul 05
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Yeah, Shredder is brilliant.
Lafuente,P (2435) - SHREDDER [E32]
Mercosur Cup Vicente Lopez ARG (3), 16.07.2005
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Bd2 0-0 7.a3 Bxc3 8.Bxc3 Qe7 9.e3 b6 10.Be2 Bb7 11.0-0 Ne4 12.Nd2 Nxc3 13.Qxc3 c5 14.Bf3 Nf6 15.b4 Rac8 16.dxc5 dxc5 17.b5 Rcd8 18.Rad1 Rd6 19.Bxb7
Position after 19. Bxb7:
19. ... Rfd8?? .... 1-0
Stunning.
22 Jul 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZYup, saw that too. Hard to believe a computer could make a tactical blunder, or not to mention one that simple.
Yeah, Shredder is brilliant.
Lafuente,P (2435) - SHREDDER [E32]
Mercosur Cup Vicente Lopez ARG (3), 16.07.2005
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Bd2 0-0 7.a3 Bxc3 8.Bxc3 Qe7 9.e3 b6 10.Be2 Bb7 11.0-0 Ne4 12.Nd2 Nxc3 13.Qxc3 c5 14.Bf3 Nf6 15.b4 Rac8 16.dxc5 dxc5 17.b5 Rcd8 18.Rad1 Rd6 19.Bxb7
Position after 19. Bxb7:
[fen]5rk1/pB2qp ...[text shortened]... n2/1Pp5/2P5/P1Q1P3/3N1PPP/3R1RK1 b - - 0 19[/fen]
[b]19. ... Rfd8?? .... 1-0
Stunning.[/b]
22 Jul 05
I have discovered with the shredder 9 that I have, that it is a learning machine. You have to feed it games for it to play for crap. It learns by running games. I don't know about that game that was played but it all depends on how you set up the engine to play. There are huge combinations of values that it places on play. It is all in how it is set up by the owner of the program.
RTh
22 Jul 05
Originally posted by RingtailhunterWrong. Shredder like the rest of the chessbase family learns which openings to play based on previous results (if you look in the opening book it'll have red and green numbers next to some). It does not change the way it analyses positions based on results. The user can change how much value it places in things like piece activity and king safety.
I have discovered with the shredder 9 that I have, that it is a learning machine. You have to feed it games for it to play for crap. It learns by running games. I don't know about that game that was played but it all depends on how you set up the engine to play. There are huge combinations of values that it places on play. It is all in how it is set up by the owner of the program.
RTh
Shredder does not change it's middle and endgame play intuitively based on previous games.
The game I posted was played in a tournament within the last week. The operator of the computer would obviously be someone who knew what they were doing. Apparently it was a hash table issue (where previous analysis of lines are stored so they don't have to be analysed again). One in a million chance apparently.
22 Jul 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZThat is what I meant by "feeding" it. if the hash tables are cleared you have nothing but the basic chess engine programming. It learns...I don't know if that is the right word for it, but anyway it stores data from analyzed games it has run through.
Wrong. Shredder like the rest of the chessbase family learns which openings to play based on previous results (if you look in the opening book it'll have red and green numbers next to some). It does not change the way it analyses positions based on results. The user can change how much value it places in things like piece activity and king safety.
Shred ...[text shortened]... lines are stored so they don't have to be analysed again). One in a million chance apparently.
I thought that shredder was aquired by the dingle fritz family?
22 Jul 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZShredder doesn't seem to be completely moronic; through 7 rounds, it's 5-1-1 and in first place in the Mercosur Cup. http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic.html
Yeah, Shredder is brilliant.
Lafuente,P (2435) - SHREDDER [E32]
Mercosur Cup Vicente Lopez ARG (3), 16.07.2005
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Bd2 0-0 7.a3 Bxc3 8.Bxc3 Qe7 9.e3 b6 10.Be2 Bb7 11.0-0 Ne4 12.Nd2 Nxc3 13.Qxc3 c5 14.Bf3 Nf6 15.b4 Rac8 16.dxc5 dxc5 17.b5 Rcd8 18.Rad1 Rd6 19.Bxb7
Position after 19. Bxb7:
[fen]5rk1/pB2qp ...[text shortened]... n2/1Pp5/2P5/P1Q1P3/3N1PPP/3R1RK1 b - - 0 19[/fen]
[b]19. ... Rfd8?? .... 1-0
Stunning.[/b]
22 Jul 05
Originally posted by no1marauderIt is pretty moronic out of the box. I could beat it in speed chess if that is any qualification of my assumption. I cant anymore. I have been feeding it games from the masters and computer tourneys...letting it chew on them. I must say that it has evolved.
Shredder doesn't seem to be completely moronic; through 7 rounds, it's 5-1-1 and in first place in the Mercosur Cup. http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic.html
22 Jul 05
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Originally posted by RingtailhunterHash tables are used for storing information during the game. The information is stored in your RAM so it is cleared as soon it isn't being used and is needed. It isn't carried over to future games.
That is what I meant by "feeding" it. if the hash tables are cleared you have nothing but the basic chess engine programming. It learns...I don't know if that is the right word for it, but anyway it stores data from analyzed gam ...[text shortened]...
I thought that shredder was aquired by the dingle fritz family?
EDIT: Greased Lightning.