Originally posted by jimslyp69If there was a leak ANYWHERE, it would spell disaster, underwater or not. But I'm sure these "vaults" aren't made from corrugated cardboard. They don't leak. As wormwood says, they will start to corrode after 100,000 years or so.
I wouldn't like it buried anywhere near where I live. And under the ocean, well if there was to be a leak, wouldn't this spell disaster with all that contaminated sea water, without any real way of containing it?
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Originally posted by darvlayOkay okay okay. I capitulate. Perhaps they do have safe containment methods. But there's still the question of higher incidences of cancers around reactor sites. I just think a better alternative can found to solve our energy problems. It should at least be researched at great depth.
If there was a leak ANYWHERE, it would spell disaster, underwater or not. But I'm sure these "vaults" aren't made from corrugated cardboard. They don't leak. As wormwood says, they will start to corrode after 100,000 years or so.
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Originally posted by jimslyp69Perhaps if they found a way to extract the methane from the posters on RHP that would do the trick.
Okay okay okay. I capitulate. Perhaps they do have safe containment methods. But there's still the question of higher incidences of cancers around reactor sites. I just think a better alternative can found to solve our energy problems. It should at least be researched at great depth.
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Originally posted by jimslyp69there was safety checks in place in chernobyl. someone just thought it was a good idea to turn them off, in order to run an experiment. there's no such thing as a foolproof system.
I think you'll find that chernobyl was a disaster waiting to happen. Right from the drawing board it was thrown together as quickly as possible just to gain oneupmanship against America during the cold war. Big corners were cut from its design right through to its realisation.
I can't foresee such a disaster ever happening again, give the amount and depth of safety checks in place....
Originally posted by wormwoodHow's this experiment panning out then? Have they drawn any conclusions from it thus far? 🙄
there was safety checks in place in chernobyl. someone just thought it was a good idea to turn them off, in order to run an experiment. there's no such thing as a foolproof system.
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Originally posted by wormwoodfrom wikipedia:
there was safety checks in place in chernobyl. someone just thought it was a good idea to turn them off, in order to run an experiment. there's no such thing as a foolproof system.
During the daytime of April 25, 1986, reactor 4 was scheduled to be shut down for maintenance. It had been decided to use this occasion as an opportunity to test the ability of the reactor's turbine generator to generate sufficient electricity to power the reactor's safety systems (in particular, the water pumps) in the event of a loss of external electric power. This type of reactor requires water being continuously circulated through the core, as long as the nuclear fuel is present. Chernobyl reactors have a pair of diesel generators available as standby, but these do not activate instantaneously—the reactor was, therefore, to be used to spin up the turbine, at which point the turbine would be disconnected from the reactor and allowed to spin under its own rotational momentum, and the aim of the test was to determine whether the turbines in the rundown phase could power the pumps while the generators were starting up. The test was successfully carried out previously on another unit (with all safety provisions active) with negative result - the turbines did not generate sufficient power, but additional improvements were made to the turbines, which prompted the need for another test.
this is what you're talking about. (link, below)
but many years ago, i read a science fiction story about solar chimneys sans the mirrors. and the wiki article says the idea dates from around 1903. so i wonder how enviromission can say it's their "proprietary" technology.
i remember that mother earth news had a design for a homemade solar-powered steam engine. somewhat dangerous, tho.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_chimney
Originally posted by zeeblebotyes i see what you are saying ...
this is what you're talking about. (link, below)
but many years ago, i read a science fiction story about solar chimneys sans the mirrors. and the wiki article says the idea dates from around 1903. so i wonder how enviromission can say it's their "proprietary" technology.
i remember that mother earth news had a design for a homemade solar-powered steam engine. somewhat dangerous, tho.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_chimney
i do not understand much about patents.
i would be interested to know what is happening.
but anyway : who cares who owns the patent - just get the damn thing built in place of our stupid coal power plants, (and potentially, soon, nuclear fission plants)
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Originally posted by zeeblebotsorry, i have been a little vague : sometimes i mean fission, sometimes fusion.
they're talking about starting nuclear plants, but i think they don't have them yet, he probably really meant fission, not fusion ...
in australia we do not use fission or fusion for power.
we do have a fission "research and medical" reactor .. and lots of uranium ... we have a budget surplus ... we can easily build fission reactors and fuel them up ... and make electricity (instead of government funded schools and hospitals).
as physics-type people know: fusion is still only in the realms of fantasy.
i hope we will never use either fission or fusion ...
fission ... is expensive, and produces radioactive waste, and perhaps also bombs.
fusion ... is not yet working, and soaks up huge funds better used elsewhere, may be used as an excuse to continue using ugly old technologies way past their use-by-date while we await the perfect solution, and even if it does come off giving infinite energy - will be a disaster.
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Originally posted by flexmorewell, it's coming. the world's first fully functional (experimental) fusion plant 'ITER' is already on the way to be built in cadarache, france. still long way from wide scale use though...
fusion ... is only a fantasy, and may soak up huge funds better used elsewhere, may be used as an excuse to continue using ugly old technologies way past their use-by-date, and even if it does come off giving infinite energy - will be a disaster.