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Solving the banded tournament problem

Solving the banded tournament problem

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Originally posted by wormwood
then again, it's not like he was able to join tournaments for higher rated players before he got his rating up a bit. and joining tournaments is the quickest way to get a lot of games and get his rating up to his level.

so the real problem seems to be how to compensate rating loss for mass resignations/timeouts, and how to get strong players faster up to ...[text shortened]... course also check against people mass resigning only lost games, to prevent rating abuse.
He can still play in open tournaments, a 1300-1500 tournament should NEVER have a 1900 player in it!

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Ok, i have a suggestion. Create a tournament rating which is the average rating of a players last 100 games, excluding timeouts. If they have been timed out in their last 100 games, the average is taken from their last 100 completed.

This doesn't resolve the issue of new subscribers who haven't reached their correct level, but if players were required to complete 50 games before they can enter a banded tournie, then most strong players would have passed 1800 by that point and would be ineligible for any of the lower bands. Looking at the tournaments that have taken place in the past, the highest band is generally 1800+, which would solve the problem.

This would also give people a small incentive to avoid getting timed out, as their tournament rating would become inflated if they allowed their losses to be registered as T/O rather than resignation or checkmate...

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Originally posted by Marinkatomb
He can still play in open tournaments, a 1300-1500 tournament should NEVER have a 1900 player in it!
yea, true. but people don't always realize that before it's too late. I think most of the high rated players on low band touneys are there pretty innocently...

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Originally posted by wormwood
yea, true. but people don't always realize that before it's too late. I think most of the high rated players on low band touneys are there pretty innocently...
Come on, you can't be that naive?

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Another possible alternative is to have a plate tournament, so that all those knocked out in the first round have another chance at winning (most likely without stronger players left in).

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Originally posted by Snowman606
Another possible alternative is to have a plate tournament, so that all those knocked out in the first round have another chance at winning (most likely without stronger players left in).
But the stronger player still wins a tournament they shouldn't be in. How does that help?

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my idea is to have unrated tournements. and to employ tournement mods to bump players into approite bands.

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Since there is not much new in terms of suggestions, how do we proceed?

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Originally posted by Marinkatomb
But the stronger player still wins a tournament they shouldn't be in. How does that help?
It helps only in making those beaten feel a bit better.

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Originally posted by Marinkatomb
Ok, i have a suggestion. Create a tournament rating which is the average rating of a players last 100 games, excluding timeouts. If they have been timed out in their last 100 games, the average is taken from their last 100 completed.

This doesn't resolve the issue of new subscribers who haven't reached their correct level, but if players were r ...[text shortened]... d if they allowed their losses to be registered as T/O rather than resignation or checkmate...
I like this solution. Pretty simple to understand and address two of the three possible issues where players could end up in the wrong band. Newcomers do need time to find their level after the provisional time is up. And the former does allow for a player actually getting worse over time too.

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Originally posted by Marinkatomb
Come on, you can't be that naive?
just a few minutes before I wrote that, I read billy voltaire saying something like that in the 'sharks in the fishpool' thread in tournaments forum.

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Provisional rated playere should be allowed to enter any level of "Banded" Tourney. Establish rated players may enter any Tournament in thier established level our higher.. Once your rating is established, players will not be allowed to enter tournaments "banded", lower than thier highest established rating period. Players should be about improving thier chess play and playing stronger (not lower rated,) players does just that. Play chess, learn and improve your performance against stronger players.😉
My 2 cents.

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Simple solution. If a player's highest EVER rating (not just the 30 day one) is above the banding level then they can't enter the Tournament.

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Originally posted by Daemon Sin
Simple solution. If a player's highest EVER rating (not just the 30 day one) is above the banding level then they can't enter the Tournament.
Bad idea. Take my rating for example. I hit 1950 or so through rating inflation, but can't (normally) compete on the same level as 1900+'s. I might if I increased my time spent on a game, but I don't want to have to do that every time I enter a high band, and still probably end up losing.

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Originally posted by GalaxyShield
Bad idea. Take my rating for example. I hit 1950 or so through rating inflation, but can't (normally) compete on the same level as 1900+'s. I might if I increased my time spent on a game, but I don't want to have to do that every time I enter a high band, and still probably end up losing.
Same with me. I am not 1450. Nor am I 1100. I hit both levels every now and then without time outs or carefully saved wins and cashing the in all at once. I am 1300, but just going up and down because I have my good days and bad days. A number should not be fixated for eternity on just one aspect of my rating...