I was just watching Mississippi burning, one of my favourite films, and I got to wondering why on earth they were (are?) called what they are.
Where does it come from. So, in case you're interested, here's a wee article I found on the KKK:
"The Scottish apparently originated cross-burning, but it was your friends in the mass media who helped sell the idea to the KKK--media being somewhat broadly construed here to include novelists and filmmakers. You think media complicity in the more disreputable aspects of pop culture is a recent phenomenon? Uh-uh. Try 1810.
Eighteen-ten was the year the Scottish romantic writer Sir Walter Scott, a great admirer of ancient Scottish traditions, first brought the "fiery cross" to modern attention in his poem The Lady of the Lake. In the poem the cross is set ablaze on the hilltops to summon the Scottish clans. Scott's work was especially popular in the American south, where much of the populace was of Scotch-Irish extraction.
The original Ku Klux Klan, which was founded in 1866 and disbanded in the early 1870s, didn't burn crosses, but that didn't stop author Thomas Dixon from saying they did in his pro-KKK novel The Clansman (1905). "The Fiery Cross of old Scotland's hills!" a character in the book announces. "In olden times when the Chieftain of our people summoned the clan on an errand of life and death, the Fiery Cross, extinguished in sacrificial blood, was sent by swift courier from village to village."
Though it had done well enough on its own, The Clansman didn't become a national phenomenon until Dixon sold the movie rights to the pioneer filmmaker D.W. Griffith, who used it to make his groundbreaking film The Birth of a Nation. In a dramatic scene, the movie's hero rears up his horse and brandishes a flaming cross to summon the Klans to drive out the black oppressors (!) and their northern white allies who controlled the south during Reconstruction. Meanwhile the movie theater's orchestra (remember, this was the silent era) struck up Wagner's "The Ride of the Valkyries." Southern white audiences generally when nuts at this point, clapping and cheering.
Knowing a good idea when he saw one, William J. Simmons, the founder of the Klan in its second incarnation (1915-1944), cobbled together a cross and burned it at a meeting of the newly-established Knights of the Ku Klux Klan on Thanksgiving night, 1915, on Stone Mountain near Atlanta. Flaming crosses have been a Klan trademark ever since.
Just one problem. The fiery cross of Scottish legend wasn't the upright Roman cross commonly used by the Klan. Rather it was the X-shaped cross of St. Andrew. St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, and an X-shaped cross probably also was a lot easier to make a signal bonfire out of. But nobody ever said the Klan's big attraction was its meticulous sense of detail.
Where does the name Ku Klux Klan come from? It seems the men who founded the original Klan were tossing out ideas for a name when somebody came up with kukloi, plural of the Greek kuklos, circle. Somebody else had the bright idea of twisting kuklos into Ku Klux. Klan was added later for alliteration, and they spelled it with a K rather than a C so as not to confuse the rank and file."
- http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_196.html -
There are a few more articles on the page, all very interesting as well. Like the fact that the Scots actually burned X-shaped crosses (St. Andrew's cross, from the flag and patron saint).
Well, anyways, sorry to disturb your daily drivel and constant crap. This is the end of the history lesson for today, don't worry. You can now go back to spamming the hell out of the forum.
Originally posted by shavixmirlike this would stop them🙂
I was just watching Mississippi burning, one of my favourite films, and I got to wondering why on earth they were (are?) called what they are.
Where does it come from. So, in case you're interested, here's a wee article I found on the KKK:
[i]"The Scottish apparently originated cross-burning, but it was your friends in the mass media who helped ...[text shortened]... story lesson for today, don't worry. You can now go back to spamming the hell out of the forum.
interesting anyway. BTW on another subject my son near philly and
I got it together with a mic and computer speakers to add VOIP
via MSM. interesting. Had to use a studio mic with transformer, XLR
connector in, 1/4 inch jack out to a 1/4 in 1/8 jack out to get into
the sound card input! worked great though.
Originally posted by shavixmirYou might want to check out the links between Free Masonry and the clan as many of the Klan's early members were Masons. This leads to the question, how much influence do the Masons have today?
I was just watching Mississippi burning, one of my favourite films, and I got to wondering why on earth they were (are?) called what they are.
Where does it come from. So, in case you're interested, here's a wee article I found on the KKK:
[i]"The Scottish apparently originated cross-burning, but it was your friends in the mass media who helped ...[text shortened]... story lesson for today, don't worry. You can now go back to spamming the hell out of the forum.
Originally posted by Hand of Hecate[/i]
You might want to check out the links between Free Masonry and the clan as many of the Klan's early members were Masons. This leads to the question, how much influence do the Masons have today?
The Masons are an extremely interesting group of people. There's so much information on them I wouldn't know where to start though.
Originally posted by shavixmirJust a minor point, but it's Ku Klux Klan. There's only two "L"s in the name.
I was just watching Mississippi burning, one of my favourite films, and I got to wondering why on earth they were (are?) called what they are.
Where does it come from. So, in case you're interested, here's a wee article I found on the KKK:
[i]"The Scottish apparently originated cross-burning, but it was your friends in the mass media who helped ...[text shortened]... story lesson for today, don't worry. You can now go back to spamming the hell out of the forum.
Originally posted by shavixmirIt always amuses me when "whites" of Celtic origin go for that White Supremacy stuff. Isn't the point of White Supremacy the idea that Nordic-Germanic peoples are superior? Wasn't it a victory for Whites when Germanic peoples took England from the native Celts and the English continued the tradition by trying to take Ireland? What about when Hitler was going to enslave the Slavs? Haven't these jokers heard that the Irish have been called "the ni**ers of Europe"?
I was just watching Mississippi burning, one of my favourite films, and I got to wondering why on earth they were (are?) called what they are.
Where does it come from. So, in case you're interested, here's a wee article I found on the KKK:
"The Scottish apparently originated cross-burning, but it was your friends in the mass media who helped story lesson for today, don't worry. You can now go back to spamming the hell out of the forum.
Sorry, Irish-Scotch folks...you're on the non-White side of the fence according to the original White Supremacy ideas.
Oh yeah, I've heard some of those guys talk about how Christianity is a Jewish religion. The "White" religions were the Germanic/Nordic ones. It's all about Thor's Hammer, not Jesus' Cross.
I'm one of you too btw...well partially. Half Mexican, quarter Irish, quarter English. I'm mostly "non-White" according to that garbage.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAmazingly enough the facist skinheads in Holland hang around...Irish pubs...
It always amuses me when "whites" of Celtic origin go for that White Supremacy stuff. Isn't the point of White Supremacy the idea that Nordic-Germanic peoples are superior? Wasn't it a victory for Whites when Germanic peoples took England from the native Celts and the English continued the tradition by trying to take Ireland? What about when Hitl ...[text shortened]... f Mexican, quarter Irish, quarter English. I'm mostly "non-White" according to that garbage.
How amusing is that? They tend to listen to the Pogues and wear tartan coloured clothing (and/or maroon).
I once talked with a group of facist youths near Rotterdam and I asked them: "If you're so pro-Holland, why do you delve so much into Celtic mystisism and stuff?"
The answer they gave: "Because it's a pure culture."
Seemingly they like pure cultures and are opposed to the mingling of cultures. So, each country: its own culture.
The next question is obviously: "But you're not keltic in any way, why do you mix that culture with your own?"
Then they smash your face in.
Oh well...
Originally posted by shavixmirHave you ever seen a movie called "Higher Learning" or "Romper Stomper"! While these are obviously just movies, the facist groups are fed by fear and loneliness. Having dealt with these scum bags before, their members, with few exceptions, fall into several catagories: the inbred hillbilly, the cromagnon thug, the lonely college youth, weak willed cannon fodder with a handfull of gifted manipulators running the show.
Amazingly enough the facist skinheads in Holland hang around...Irish pubs...
How amusing is that? They tend to listen to the Pogues and wear tartan coloured clothing (and/or maroon).
I once talked with a group of facist youths near Rotterdam and I asked them: "If you're so pro-Holland, why do you delve so much into Celtic mystisism and stuff?"
...[text shortened]... way, why do you mix that culture with your own?"
Then they smash your face in.
Oh well...
I lived in Baton Rouge, Louisiana for a few years and had the opportunity to see a clan rally in Denham Springs Louisiana with a student reporter friend. Besides the fact that the rally was 3000+ strong, many armed to the teeth, the most disturbing thing was the children in white Klan regalia acting as standard bearers and flying the Nazi salutes. Hatred for the sake of hatred, much of it out of boredom and their own failures in life. Its easier to find someone to blame than to find fault in yourself.
Racism and bigotry are alive and well I'm sad to report.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateYes, and a lot of those kids probably didn't even know what it was all about or know anything about its history.
Have you ever seen a movie called "Higher Learning" or "Romper Stomper"! While these are obviously just movies, the facist groups are fed by fear and loneliness. Having dealt with these scum bags before, their members, with few exceptions, fall into several catagories: the inbred hillbilly, the cromagnon thug, the lonely college youth, weak will ...[text shortened]... ame than to find fault in yourself.
Racism and bigotry are alive and well I'm sad to report.
I remember reading on a white supremecy forum (out of curiosity and some insight into what they believe, certainly do not condone their behaviour. I am half Asian Indian and half English myself), that they had to "debate" what was considered white supreme based on history and what isn't. Does that make any sense? So suddenly they are going to find that one of their "comrades" has a bit of Nigerian in them and suddenly be outcast and banned from their forum. Is rather pathetic really.
As a cop in the 80's I was driving a patrol car along a suburban side street when a very large skin head guy ran out from his house and hit the bonnet of my car with a baseball bat. He turned and fled into the house. I ran after him booted in the bolted front door found myself staring at half a dozen nazi uniformed skin heads. The walls of the house were plastered in swasticas and pictures of Hitler. I grabbed the first guy dragged him outside cuffed him and went back in. They called me a pig and said nazis rule. I was fairly young and my upbringing in UK by war children came out... oops.. I ripped down the posters and jack booted one skinhead that . I told them I totally agreed to treat them under nazi law.. kicked another one and made him eat a poster. Finished ripping all the posters down and told them they to get out of town.... I gave them a taste of nazi law for a few minutes. They were just scared little white boys from wealthy families who fancies starting a riot. Not one complaint they moved out the next day.... didn't fancy round 2. Never Ever allow nazi scum in your neighbourhood. flush them. KKK should have been flushed years ago😠
edit ...It's no Kul Klux Klan either Shav!! 😉