do you mean israel with Yassar Yarafat, or IRAQ, with the drunken president?....
Either way, they are really the countries religions acting up, or with Iraq, the never ending quest for domination by Bush.
PS, if i've offended any one, just let me know, OK. i'll tell you where you can stick it(😛JOKE INTENDED...tight @$$e$..)
Originally posted by D43M0N
do you mean israel with Yassar Yarafat, or IRAQ, with the drunken president?....
Either way, they are really the countries religions acting up, or with Iraq, the never ending quest for domination by Bush.
PS, if i've offended any one, ...[text shortened]... l tell you where you can stick it(😛JOKE INTENDED...tight @$$e$..)
Do you think this conflict is about religion ?
If so, please tell me what are the religious questions or issues at stake.
Originally posted by CFC
Anti-Semitism. That's what some of tthis is about.
You're absolutely right about that.
The blind hatred you can find among Hamas members is really frightening and does not promise a swift solution to the problems facing the region. On the other hand the rigid stance of the West Bank settlers on the Israely side doesn't do any good to the peace process either.The differences concerning Jerusalem and the return of the Palestinian refugees are seemingly unsurmountable. As the situation is now they are heading towards fullscale war.
Originally posted by ivanhoeWhat I don't understand is when Israel kill a hamas member they're condemned but Hamas are a terrorist group.😕
You're absolutely right about that.
The blind hatred you can find among Hamas members is really frightening and does not promise a swift solution to the problems facing the region. On the other hand the rigid stance of the West Bank settlers on the Israely side doesn't do any good to the peace process either.The differences concerning Jerusalem and th ...[text shortened]... es are seemingly unsurmountable. As the situation is now they are heading towards fullscale war.
What Israel desperately needs is a new story. Their history has been one of inheriting the land given to them by God. Let me give you an example. Part of America's history and doctrine was manifest destiny, the westward expansion of this country to the Pacific Ocean. Rightly or wrongly, it was considered our right and legacy. Now over time an interesting thing has happened. The United States is becoming increasingly non-white. More and more immigrants come to this country. The largest percentage of non-whites is hispanic. But somehow we still maintain "the country" in spite of this change. Israel is a landlocked country. Ultimately they must either relocate and inherit a new land with a new understanding that fits their theology or they must others into their culture or be assimilated. Kirk
Originally posted by CFCIn order to continue to be trustworthy mediators in the conflict, the U.S and the European Union have to condemn the violence used by both sides. If they did otherwise they would be rejected by one or maybe both parties, because they were not capable of being or staying neutral. The Europeon Union recently placed Hamas on the list of terrorist organisations. The signal they gave to both sides by doing so is to make very clear how dangerous and without perspective the situation is. Especially towards Yasser Arafat, who condemns these terrorists in statements in the western press and at the same time glorifies these same men as martyrs for Islam in the Arabic press. Placing Hamas on the list of terrorist organisations is to be looked upon as a warning at the address of the Palestinian Leadership.
What I don't understand is when Israel kill a hamas member they're condemned but Hamas are a terrorist group.😕
On the other hand they've sent a clear message to the Israely leadership not to ban Yasser Arafat from the occupied territories. That would be a big mistake in the eyes of the European Union. In acting the way they did they are supporting the key mediator in this conflict the United States, who is urging the parties involved to proceed with the road map towards peace ... a tough nut to crack.
Originally posted by ivanhoeBut even if it is violence they're terrorists and have to be done something about that.
In order to continue to be trustworthy mediators in the conflict, the U.S and the European Union have to condemn the violence used by both sides. If they did otherwise they would be rejected by one or maybe both parties, because they were ...[text shortened]... ceed with the road map towards peace ... a tough nut to crack.
Is arafat back as president of Palestinians as abbas resigned?
Also Israel was given to the Jews by God+ Israeli soldiers won it in the 6 day war.
Originally posted by kirksey957Good post, but two factual errors. Israel is not landlocked, and blacks outnumber Hispanics in the US.
What Israel desperately needs is a new story. Their history has been one of inheriting the land given to them by God. Let me give you an example. Part of America's history and doctrine was manifest destiny, the westward expansion of this country to the Pacific Ocean. Rightly or wrongly, it was considered our right and legacy. Now over time an intere ...[text shortened]... standing that fits their theology or they must others into their culture or be assimilated. Kirk
Originally posted by CFCThey're trying to do something about it, but it is very difficult and complicated.
[b]But even if it is violence they're terrorists and have to be done something about that.
Is arafat back as president of Palestinians as abbas resigned?
Arafat has been the President for quite a while now, but you could say that he won a political battle within the Palestinian Authority and that he's back in full control now.
"Also Israel was given to the Jews by God+ Israeli soldiers won it in the 6 day war." [/b] CFC
Yes, that is what a lot of Israelis believe. The trouble is that the Palestinians cannot agree on that. They want to be restored in their legitimate rights. The Israely government is trying to exchange land ( Occupied territories won in the six day war) for peace. They almost had an agreement a while ago, but Arafat did not accept the final proposal. There is a lot of speculation going on why he didn't. After that refusal of that peace proposal things have got worse and worse ...
You have the Arabs, and the Jews, The Arabs are from Ismael and the Jews are from Isaac, but they are both sons of Abraham, so why is there a war between brothers?
It's the trouble that the, in my eyes correct, story, that God gave Israel to the Jews is hard to believe.
Since the Jews were driven away from Israel, the Palestinian people have lived there for more than a thousand years and thus rightfully claim the land theirs........
I'm afraid that this problem isn't going to be solved easily and without needless violence......🙁
Olav