tipping the wait staff ?

I like the countries in which wait staff is paid sufficiently so that they are not in need of a tip.
I don't think that tipping is a good way to feed a fruitful competition between staff. Noramlly you get a table in the restaurant in the area of a certain person. You can't choose to go to the person you have good experience and to whom you would rather channel the tip.
And somehow the waiting person is getting the wrath for an incompetent manager or cook. That is hardly fair.
I accept that in countries where tipping is a necessary aprt of the person's income I give generous tipps even with average service.

@Ponderable said
I like the countries in which wait staff is paid sufficiently so that they are not in need of a tip.
I don't think that tipping is a good way to feed a fruitful competition between staff. Noramlly you get a table in the restaurant in the area of a certain person. You can't choose to go to the person you have good experience and to whom you would rather channel the tip.
A ...[text shortened]... tipping is a necessary aprt of the person's income I give generous tipps even with average service.

Shame the OP was deleted as this is a good subject.

We've holidayed at UK Centre Parcs last two years and they introduced bill-inclusive tipping before then; I really don’t like it. So what I do at the bar is decline it on the card pad; as the OP said, why should I pay a tip when I’ve stood queuing at the bar and carried by own drink back to my table. In the restaurants we tell the staff at point of order that we don’t want the tip included automatically on the bill but we will tip cash. This works a treat and strikes up a good rapport with your waiter/waitress.

@diver said
Shame the OP was deleted as this is a good subject.

We've holidayed at UK Centre Parcs last two years and they introduced bill-inclusive tipping before then; I really don’t like it. So what I do at the bar is decline it on the card pad; as the OP said, why should I pay a tip when I’ve stood queuing at the bar and carried by own drink back to my table. In the restaurants we ...[text shortened]... ll but we will tip cash. This works a treat and strikes up a good rapport with your waiter/waitress.

@Suzianne said
I hear this a lot more lately.

I do not know for sure how it works anymore (when I waitressed, it was to help get me through school, so way back in the day), but people seem to think if you pay cash, then the person serving you can keep it, whereas if you pay by a credit card or similar, then management takes it and pools it, and all servers get a portion.

Don't know if this is true, but a lot of people tend to believe it.

@diver said
At Centre Parcs UK they centralise it so that the support staff get a share; that includes the chefs. The waiting staff have told me that whilst this seems fair on the surface the chefs get paid a lot more but the waiting staff get minimum wage.

What irks me is that Centre Parcs should be paying their behind the scenes staff well enough to not worry about tips, and tips sho ...[text shortened]... tc, rather than a pooled generic tip which every gets a bit of irrespective of the any extra effort.

@diver said
At Centre Parcs UK they centralise it so that the support staff get a share; that includes the chefs. The waiting staff have told me that whilst this seems fair on the surface the chefs get paid a lot more but the waiting staff get minimum wage.

What irks me is that Centre Parcs should be paying their behind the scenes staff well enough to not worry about tips, and tips sho ...[text shortened]... tc, rather than a pooled generic tip which every gets a bit of irrespective of the any extra effort.

@Rajk999 said
Minimum wage is for those with minimum skills. If they were skilled they wont be working tables. Walking the food from the kitchen to the customer does not warrant some of the massive tips added to some of these bills especially in the US, where the tipping culture has gone overboard.

Tips should be shared among all staff, excluding owners and management. If not, then ...[text shortened]... ency for some female wait staff to flirt with well-to-do customers especially if it is a single man.

@Suzianne said
I will never understand why you seem to be always looking for reasons to be offensive.