Originally posted by geniusI'm not sure what your point is about the speech classes. If you want to pay for that, then that's fine. The point is that you'd pick up a whole lot of that doing pretty much any academic course. It'll probably help that you've already done it though. People don't go to university just to do this. It happens incidentally, while you're undertaking an acedemic course. Like lots of other things - say you get involved in running the cinema club, the monster raving loony party or the hedgehog jugglers. My point is simply that its about so much more than just the degree.
joint honours in maths and computing us what i'll be studying, so i'll have to work for the computing...
and redmike-i take speech classes. these classes teach me not only how to, well, speak properly-they teach me how to present talks etc. for £9 a week. for 4 years. while i'm still at school. £1944 (approx-take away some for the holidays etc...). and ...[text shortened]... than i did in 4 years?...
and can people not go to colledge to do their no-brainer degree's?
Re the college versus university point, I think that's fair enough. When I first studied, there was a clear line between 'proper' universities' and wee diddy colleges. Now everything's a university (how many unversities in Glasgow 20 years ago - 2. How many now - dozens). However, I think my point still applies whether its a college or a university. Further education, whether its a degree in big hard sums at Oxford or a diploma in writing your own name at toytown tech is still about more than the academics.
Originally posted by latex bishopi think you just proved my point which was the taxes that pay should not be used to fund another persons education i said doctors as an example nothing esle. but you go on about media studies, do you buy newspapers may i ask? many wannabe journalists will take this course, those who wish to be historians may take american history. i want be a pathologist but i suppose that because i'm not going to be a doctor or lawyer etc. the system wont support my line of work? oh hang on isn't pathology a part of the post-momtem examination process? so if i become a criminal pathologist paid for by taxes is it fair for taxes to pay for my education? i say NO students have learn to fend for themsevles. they spend all they lives learching off mum and dad and when mum and dad can't afford it they go to the goverment. granted they will be help still available for those who need it but its about time students did something for themsevles instead off drinking money that could be used on other essentials. but if the goverment is to gain extra money though this new scheme lets hope they will use it for some useful for a change.
You are not paying for Doctors, Vets, lawyers or brokers - the system can suport these quite easily. You are actualy paying for Media Studies, American History and and a multitude of other "courses" that have been advised to increase university attendence but ofer nothing to potential employers.
I am happy to pay for Doctors, Teachers, Lawyers and ...[text shortened]... sity in the first place - it is about academic attainment - not beer, sex and no work.
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Originally posted by proca666sure, but a media studies degree is not the best route into journalism, most hacks don't have a media degree.
i think you just proved my point which was the taxes that pay should not be used to fund another persons education i said doctors as an example nothing esle. but you go on about media studies, do you buy newspapers may i ask? many wannabe journalists will take this course, those who wish to be historians may take american history. i want be a pathologist bu ...[text shortened]... gain extra money though this new scheme lets hope they will use it for some useful for a change.
The simple fact remains that the central issues facing Higher Ed in the UK is that there has been 20 years of underfunding, and that the government is aiming for just over 50% of young adults to attend some form of higher education. There is no way the current system can support the addtional students.
Education for the sake of education benefits no one and just wastes money. The point is surely to give opportunity to the best in society to develop to their potential, not to give as many people as possible the level of a degree. The more people have degrees, the less its worth. Trust me, anyone who has a grasp of their chosen subject has to have a postgrad just to differentiate themselves from the mass of graduates.
The other side of this is that too many poeple "have" to have a degree just to get a simple job, that 10 years ago would only have required good A' level perfomance. The employment market is simply flooded with graduates.
Too many people flock for percieved "easy" degrees in obscure subjects as they have low minimum requirements to get on the course in the first place. We probably only need 25% of our population to have degree level qualifications in specialised areas, the rest would probably benefit from a broader qualification that took into account developing more areas of knowledge and experience. A general degree covering some higher level study in areas of say, business, economics, maths, english, IT, modern history, political science, environmental science would surely be of greater benefit to the economy and the students who take a course simply to have a degree and don't yet know what they want to be.
Good luck with the patholgy - seems you are one of the few entering uni with a career in mind.
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you seem to be very certain that most people go to uni with no claer idea of what they want to do and you are proberly right. one of my old teachers didn't what she wanted to do until after uni. for most people uni is a place they can go to continue to learn which is observely something they enjoy doing to want to go but also it gives them more time to think about what they need to do. granted that some graduates do not get jobs because they overquilfied for certain jobs but they've still have jobs out there for them.as for education for education sakes that is proberley ture of my best mate. she is already at uni studing english lit, she is studing that perticular course because she wants to a writer and by studing other books she hopes to able to discover what makes books great so she can also write at least semi-decent books. most may take courses which you may feel are irrelivent to everyday life but most students do have they own reason for taking a course and its not always cause it the easiest course to get in to