Originally posted by SuzianneToo easy, huh? 😉 Just to take the low road? 😕 A snide remark and a muscular spasm are so much simpler than actually mediating or even moderating one's own behaviour 🙄 Ho-hum 😴 😴 😴 So boring...
But then again, sometimes you just wanna haul off and smack the crap out of some fool. 😀
Jaynes' postulated that our social fabric is built around a need for "authority" that we likely internalized before speech evolved. 😉 This makes humankind reasonably easy to manipulate by religious fervour and predisposes us to acknowledging secular authority, as well as making us eager to "give" authority to petty tyrants and all kinds of dictatorial "leaders".
Our Bicameral minds have us hard-wired that way 😲 Consequently it takes effort to control the stupidity of our social behaviour - both individually and in groups. 😀 But this should need no explanation here!
Originally posted by widgetSounds about right to me. That's probably why I will never read the book. It doesn't sound like she is saying anything new. Everybody already knows that humans have a natural response to authority. Most respect it and are comforted by it, making them likely to follow. Others rebel against it and are more likely to lead.
Too easy, huh? 😉 Just to take the low road? 😕 A snide remark and a muscular spasm are so much simpler than actually mediating or even moderating one's own behaviour 🙄 Ho-hum 😴 😴 😴 So boring...
Jaynes' postulated that our social fabric is built around a need for "authority" that we likely internalized before speech evolved. 😉 This makes human ...[text shortened]... aviour - both individually and in groups. 😀 But this should need no explanation here!
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Originally posted by hopscotchI'm not upset and I didn't use foul language, you dumb imbecile! 😛
Please don't use foul language, I know you are upset but it doesn't help that you swear.
I'm not sure what your point is, Arrakis. Are you trying to tell people what we should write about?
Edit: Gee, it felt GOOD telling that a-hole off. 😵
Originally posted by widgetOr maybe some people can't be bothered with paperback pseudo-science.
Every time I try to mention Julian Jaynes's book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" as a guide to understanding how we think our way through this vale of tears there's this vast resounding cyber-silence that ensues... 😴 Maybe adolescent sexuality is more intriguing than trying to think your way into changing the world: "Be the change that you'd like to see in the world" - Ghandi
Originally posted by MerkPerhaps if we understood the implications of our knee-jerk emotional responses and integrated them into our actions we could begin to break out of the dangerous habit of blind obedience to authority 😕
Sounds about right to me. That's probably why I will never read the book. It doesn't sound like she is saying anything new. Everybody already knows that humans have a natural response to authority. Most respect it and are comforted by it, making them likely to follow. Others rebel against it and are more likely to lead.
Originally posted by widgetUmm... We already know the implications of our obedience. The answer to that question is societies. Who's says the habit of obedience authority is bad? Without it we have anarchy. Its there for a reason and we should consider why exactly we want to break it. My personal knee jerk reaction to authority is to disregard it, but I am very glad most don't react that way. It would lead to a complete breakdown of society. Now if psychiatrists want to get together and use this book to help them figure out how to reprogram the brains of people who are perhaps overly obedient or overly rebelious, then great, have a big old head shrinker ho down. Just because sissy boys' book is not for me doesn't mean it doesn't have its purpose.
Perhaps if we understood the implications of our knee-jerk emotional responses and integrated them into our actions we could begin to break out of the dangerous habit of blind obedience to authority 😕
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Originally posted by MerkWho gave Hitler the power to pursue WW2? 🙄 Why is George W Bush Jr? 🙄 How stupid are we?
Umm... We already know the implications of our obedience. The answer to that question is societies. Who's says the habit of obedience authority is bad? Without it we have anarchy. Its there for a reason and we should consider why exactly we want to break it. My personal knee jerk reaction to authority is to disregard it, but I am very glad most don't react that ...[text shortened]... down. Just because sissy boys' book is not for me doesn't mean it doesn't have its purpose.
(You are allowed to speak entirely on your own behalf in answering Question #3 😞 I'll understand )
Originally posted by widgetIts not individuals that are the problem. Its people in large numbers. They make the dumbest decisions.
Who gave Hitler the power to pursue WW2? 🙄 Why is George W Bush Jr? 🙄 How stupid [b]are we?
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