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I’m trying to find the rules on the site in reference to chess engine usage. It was always my understanding that you could not use a chess engine to help you make your moves. Of course this makes sense since we want to match wits with humans not computers. However, when I accused an opponent of using a chess engine (after the game and running it through Stockfish) he said that he was abiding by the rules. Here was jankrb’s response:
I play according ICCF rules.
In those rules it clearly states:
"Players must decide their own moves. Players are permitted to consult prior to those decisions with any publicly available source of information including chess engines (computer programs), books, DVDs, game archive databases, endgame tablebases, etc."
Please tell me if this statement is true or not. Hopefully not…otherwise what is the point of playing another human?
@cardinalal said@cardinalal
I’m trying to find the rules on the site in reference to chess engine usage. It was always my understanding that you could not use a chess engine to help you make your moves. Of course this makes sense since we want to match wits with humans not computers. However, when I accused an opponent of using a chess engine (after the game and running it through Stockfish) he sa ...[text shortened]... this statement is true or not. Hopefully not…otherwise what is the point of playing another human?
Look on bottom of page "Terms of Service" sometimes called TOS. You will find it under Rule. #3 Section b.
While there you should read over all the rules even if you already have as a refresher. Please note: These rules are not always enforced, but the one you are concerned about they are quite strict on.
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@cardinalal saidI've never understood why anyone would use a chess engine or other aid, or what satisfaction can be gleaned from winning a computer - aided game. Easy enough I daresay to 'decide' to use the move recommended by a chess engine....
I’m trying to find the rules on the site in reference to chess engine usage. It was always my understanding that you could not use a chess engine to help you make your moves. Of course this makes sense since we want to match wits with humans not computers. However, when I accused an opponent of using a chess engine (after the game and running it through Stockfish) he sa ...[text shortened]... this statement is true or not. Hopefully not…otherwise what is the point of playing another human?
@Indonesia-Phil saidI don't even have a chess engine on my computer as I think the temptation to look at a move and use the 2nd or 3rd suggestion would be too great to resist. I work on Tactics, puzzles, play stronger opponents to try and improve my game. My game is considered to be inconsistent.
I've never understood why anyone would use a chess engine or other aid, or what satisfaction can be gleaned from winning a computer - aided game. Easy enough I daresay to 'decide' to use the move recommended by a chess engine....
-VR
@Filipe-Fonseca saidAt one time we had Game Moderators (Very Experienced Chess Players with good knowledge of the game and a good Rating Strength level) that would decide if a player was using an engine or not. This is not done anymore as I believe it became to hard to know for 100% certainty that the said user was using an engine. It is not always easy to tell in todays world as people practice against chess engines after a time start moving like one in their games, but doesn't mean they are using a chess engine.
As clear as water in site frontpage
"Are chess engines permitted on this platform?
Chess engines are strictly prohibited and players deemed to be cheating will be removed."
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indeed, even over the board it turned to be a plague... But on tournaments with prizes, sometimes temptation is greater (it happens in all sports). But i do not understand why at a casual level some decide to cheat instead of learn... i've read a recent news on this, hold on.
@Filipe-Fonseca saidUnfortunately in this day and age it is hard to eliminate and someone is always going to try, how many actually have done it and gotten away with it we may never know. This is a case where one move on 10 I believe it was set off alarms that something was not right and it was not a move a human would make in a game.
yesterday
https://www.chess.com/news/view/2024-player-caught-cheating-in-chicago-open
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I imagine two main scenarios where this happen a lot. First the old tigers, GM's that don't accept some decline on ratings, for personal honor or financial needs that look for it as a temporary patch till "get better" again. On the other side of the ladder, the potencial young masters or wannabe ones, that face brutal competition and see it as just needed to get there...
@Filipe-Fonseca saidTechnology was not as progressed as it is in today's world. I have not doubt help could have been obtained but no evidence to prove it actually happened.
But this is not new. I recall hear some story with fisher and spassky where it was implied that spassky may be getting info from audience (with origin on a council of sovietic GM's). Probably just a way to pressure spassky, but even back then it could and probably was done.
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