1. Prague (CZ)
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    22 Oct '05 20:07
    I'm writing this primarily to the site administrator. I'd like to cancel my win (and have it removed from my stats) in game #1233725.
    The thing is, it was only the second game i played, and at the moment i pressed "claim win" button, i didn't really know what this button was for. So, I tried it, and then realized that i won the game, which was NOT what i intented to do. The worst thing is the guy moved just once in the game.
    Sometime later when I read in the FAQ that games may be deleted before 3 moves had been made, I began to wonder WHY is there a possibility to claim victory in immature games????
  2. London
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    22 Oct '05 20:241 edit
    Originally posted by damjanr
    I'm writing this primarily to the site administrator. I'd like to cancel my win (and have it removed from my stats) in game #1233725.
    The thing is, it was only the second game i played, and at the moment i pressed "claim win" button, i didn't really know what this button was for. So, I tried it, and then realized that i won the game, which was NOT what ...[text shortened]... d been made, I began to wonder WHY is there a possibility to claim victory in immature games????
    Claiming the win before three moves is up will not give you any points. Russ and Chrismo (site admin) have made it quite clear that no games can be re-instated; ever and cannot be "canceled and removed from stats" as it now has a permanent place in RHP history. Sorry but it is just the way it is.

    Game 1233725
  3. Prague (CZ)
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    22 Oct '05 23:50
    Originally posted by Freddie2004
    Claiming the win before three moves is up will not give you any points. Russ and Chrismo (site admin) have made it quite clear that no games can be re-instated; ever and cannot be "canceled and removed from stats" as it now has a permanent place in RHP history. Sorry but it is just the way it is.

    Game 1233725
    no, i think you're not right. In my stats you can clearly see that the game counts as a win for me.
  4. London
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    22 Oct '05 23:56
    Originally posted by damjanr
    no, i think you're not right. In my stats you can clearly see that the game counts as a win for me.
    wins and points...there is some difference there. Now decide whether to listen to your instincts or someone who has been playing on this site for a year.
  5. Prague (CZ)
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    23 Oct '05 12:25
    ok, ok veteran!! i dont give a damn about points, i only wanted to have 'clean' stats :]
  6. Aberdeen, Scotland
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    23 Oct '05 13:31
    Originally posted by Freddie2004
    wins and points...there is some difference there. Now decide whether to listen to your instincts or someone who has been playing on this site for a year.
    well yes Freddie but if you notice his graph went up as if he has received points also.
  7. Donationmwmiller
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    23 Oct '05 14:291 edit
    Well, I'm probably the veteran of all veterans on this site, and I'm certainly confused by that particular game.

    His statistics show completion of seven rated games. Nothing there indicates there was an unrated game played.

    In that game each player only completed the first move, and it has been my understanding that even when you play a rated game, it isn't considered to be rated until after completion of two moves by each player, so the game shouldn't be considered rated.

    I also thought that the only option was to 'delete' a game until after that second move is completed. I wasn't aware that the 'claim win' option was even available before the second move.

    I think Russ still reads through the HELP forum, so maybe he can clarify this for all of us.

    regards,
    Marc
  8. Prague (CZ)
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    23 Oct '05 17:25
    yes, the vet of all vets said it all - it surely is confusing. The game WAS rated, because after the 5th game my provisional rank moved up from the initial p1200.
  9. Donationmwmiller
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    23 Oct '05 18:00
    Originally posted by damjanr
    yes, the vet of all vets said it all - it surely is confusing. The game WAS rated, because after the 5th game my provisional rank moved up from the initial p1200.
    If you send a feedback to Russ, he can check this and possibly fix it or explain what is happening. That's the only way you will be able to solve this one.

    regards, Marc
  10. Prague (CZ)
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    23 Oct '05 23:01
    ok, I just wrote Russ a message and asked him to check this forum thread.
  11. London
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    23 Oct '05 23:07
    I think even if you are provisional the rating points move about even if the game is deleted. I don't know...it certainly is confusing!
  12. SubscriberRuss
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    28 Oct '05 16:32
    When the full move count is less than 2, it is unrated.

    The full move count starts on one, both players then move, we are on to a move count of 2 and the ratings are adjusted from that point on.

    (I had to dig about in the code myself for this one.)

    -Russ
  13. Subscriberdinc168
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    28 Oct '05 17:26
    Russ your vacation sign is up.You can not go on vacation,you are our slave.What happens if you enjoy your holiday so much that you never return.selfish.........
  14. Prague (CZ)
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    24 May '06 13:08
    Originally posted by Russ
    When the full move count is less than 2, it is unrated.

    The full move count starts on one, both players then move, we are on to a move count of 2 and the ratings are adjusted from that point on.

    (I had to dig about in the code myself for this one.)

    -Russ
    So, above means that:

    - a game is considered rated if 2 halfmoves have been made [unless game is deleted], but
    - players can still delete a game before 4 halfmoves have been made
    - between the 2nd and 4th halfmove, a player can choose between claiming a win or deleting a game, if his opponent stops playing

    Wouldn't it make much more sense if a game is considered rated and a win can be claimed after the 4th halfmove?

    Do what you like, Russ, but if you leave it like it is right now, then fix the FAQ
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