Puzzle No 3 Answer Nc6?

Puzzle No 3 Answer Nc6?

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TD

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Can some one explain the how the answer to no3 works please @ http://chess.about.com/library/midgames/blmb2a02.htm

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Originally posted by The Drake
Can some one explain the how the answer to no3 works please @ http://chess.about.com/library/midgames/blmb2a02.htm
It interferes with the Rook protecting the queen on the c file
It threatens to take on e7 with check
It discovers a double attack on the e7 rook by white queen and rook.

Whichever point Black tries to deal with White exploits with one of the others

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Position after key move - but I wonder if 1...Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.fxe3 Rxc6 is really that clear?

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Originally posted by Mister Meaner
[fen]2r3k1/3nrpp1/p1N4p/1p1p4/3P4/P3R3/1Pq1QPPP/3R2K1 b - - 0 1[/fen]

Position after key move - but I wonder if 1...Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.fxe3 Rxc6 is really that clear?
It's very messy. Maybe Black can hold on for a draw.

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Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
After another look, I'm not so sure 😕
But maybe.. the black knight will likely come to f6 to defend the d pawn, but white can advance his e pawn swap that off and then simultaneously advance his d pawn and attack black's a pawn.
I have to say I am slightly surprised that this is a tactical puzzle. I wondered if they looked at Qxd1+?

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Originally posted by Mister Meaner
I have to say I am slightly surprised that this is a tactical puzzle. I wondered if they looked at Qxd1+?
i don't know about them but it was my first thought
1.Nc6 Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.fe Rxc6 4.- Nf6 5.- Re6 looks VERY drawish.

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Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
I think the white King could come over to take the black a and b pawns whilst the Queen guards white's pawns.
Bear in mind you've got 2 missing white moves in your FEN, one of which I think should be Qb3- keeps the knight pinned to d4. and the other kf2 - but then black's rook can stay guard on the c file to stop the King's intrusion.
1.Nc6 Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.fe Rxc6 4.Qb3 Nf6 5.Kf2?? Ne4+!! 6.Kf3 Rd6 7. Kf4 Kf8 8. Qc2 Ke7 9. Ke5 (to prevent Kf6-e5) Kd7 10. Qe2 g6 11. Qf3 f5 12.Qh3 h5 13.Qh4 Ke8 (black moves his king back and forth so the queen can't get in.) 14.Qe1 Kd7 15.Qa5 Kc8 (again the king guards against the queen's penetration) 16.Qb4 Kc7 (to guard the rook). Since the white king is locked out it looks like a draw.

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How about 1.Nc6 Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.Qc1! (instead of fxe3)? Probably black's best move is 3. ... Rxc6 (Re1+ then for instance 4.Qxe1 Rxc6 5.Qe8+ Ke7 6.g3 Rc1+ 7.Kg2 and 8.Qxf7 should be winning) and then after 4.Qxe3, white can safeguard the queenside pawns with b3 (or b4) and follow on with f3 (eliminating backrow threats and securing square e4 against the knight which will come to f6). This must be winning for white. Rook and knight cannot cooperate good enough to cope with the queens's flexibility.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
How about 1.Nc6 Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.Qc1! (instead of fxe3)? Probably black's best move is 3. ... Rxc6 (Re1+ then for instance 4.Qxe1 Rxc6 5.Qe8+ Ke7 6.g3 Rc1+ 7.Kg2 and 8.Qxf7 should be winning) and then after 4.Qxe3, white can safeguard the queenside pawns with b3 (or b4) and follow on with f3 (eliminating backrow threats and securing square e4 against th ...[text shortened]... for white. Rook and knight cannot cooperate good enough to cope with the queens's flexibility.
very nice idea! but i still think black can hold onto a draw.
1.Nc6 Qxd1+ 2.Qxd1 Rxe3 3.Qc1! Rxc6 4.Qxe3 Re6! 5.Qc1 Nf6 6.f3 Kh7 7.g4 g6 8.h4 Ng8 9.f4 Ne7 looks like a pretty tough nut to crack how would you continue?

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3.Qc1.....Id want more central pawns not less. After fxe3 if the knight wants to drop into e4 id be happy to see it there. Blacks pieces need to be mobile instead of static.


If I had to play on from here




Id be aiming to make an isolated a or b pawn. Queens need simple targets.....between the isolated a or b pawn, isolated d pawn, attacking the rook + knight and hitting blacks king if it strolls into the center whites queen should have a lot of fun. Blacks winning chances on the other hand seem nil.

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Originally posted by Bedlam
3.Qc1.....Id want more central pawns not less. After fxe3 if the knight wants to drop into e4 id be happy to see it there. Blacks pieces need to be mobile instead of static.


If I had to play on from here

[fen]6k1/3n1pp1/p1r4p/1p1p4/3P4/P3P3/1P4PP/3Q2K1 w - - 0 3[/fen]


Id be aiming to make an isolated a or b pawn. Queens need simple targets... ...[text shortened]... enter whites queen should have a lot of fun. Blacks winning chances on the other hand seem nil.
black pieces need to be active only if he is trying to win. if he will settle for a draw than creating a fortress leaving only the king mobile is the best plan. see my posts above. also white can't create a break in the center so he must do so on the kingside therefore its better to have another kingside pawn.