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  1. 18 Nov '07 14:21 / 1 edit
    Anyone tried it OTB or here recently?
    I think I'll give it a go OTB next chance I get.
    I quite like:

    1.d4...e5?!
    2.dxe5...Nc6
    3.Nf3...f6
    4.exf6...Nxf6
    5.Bg5...Bc5



    This is quite playable for black isn't it?
    I prefer 3...f6 to the more usual 3...Qe7

    Anyone play the Englund gambit as an occaisional surprise try against 1.d4?
  2. 18 Nov '07 15:31
    Black is basically a pawn down with no compensation in that line. Also, with 4. e4!? white can either transpose to a position in the Schliemann defence of the Ruy Lopez after 4... fxe5 5. Bb5 (normally reached by 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4) or after 4... fxe5 5. Bc4! play a version of the Giuoco Piano where black cannot castle kingside very well because of the missing f-pawn.
  3. 18 Nov '07 15:40
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Anyone tried it OTB or here recently?
    I think I'll give it a go OTB next chance I get.
    I quite like:

    1.d4...e5?!
    2.dxe5...Nc6
    3.Nf3...f6
    4.exf6...Nxf6
    5.Bg5...Bc5

    [fen]r1bqk2r/pppp2pp/2n2n2/2b3B1/8/5N2/PPP1PPPP/RN1QKB1R w KQkq - 0 6[/fen]

    This is quite playable for black isn't it?
    I prefer 3...f6 to the more usual 3...Qe7

    Anyone play the Englund gambit as an occaisional surprise try against 1.d4?
    Superficially it looks OK. Black has gained a lead in development for the gambit. But a light bishop on c4, or a white knight on d5 would be threatening... infact a lot of lines that follow e4 (with the promise of e5!) next for white, seem to hold unpleasant threats for the black position. He can still transpose to a number of positions he might still like?
  4. 18 Nov '07 15:42
    Originally posted by zzyw
    Black is basically a pawn down with no compensation in that line. Also, with 4. e4!? white can either transpose to a position in the Schliemann defence of the Ruy Lopez after 4... fxe5 5. Bb5 (normally reached by 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4) or after 4... fxe5 5. Bc4! play a version of the Giuoco Piano where black cannot castle kingside very well because of the missing f-pawn.
    Ah. Now it looks like I dont have a mind of my own!
  5. 18 Nov '07 16:03
    Well I'm quite prepared to give it a go because I detest 1...d5 as black & am not keen on the Dutch after 1.d4...f5 2.Bg5 either.
    Next time I face 1.d4 at my club I'll try 1...e5 & post the game here.
    (providing I don't make a complete tit out of myself!)
  6. 18 Nov '07 20:25 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Well I'm quite prepared to give it a go because I detest 1...d5 as black & am not keen on the Dutch after 1.d4...f5 2.Bg5 either.
    Next time I face 1.d4 at my club I'll try 1...e5 & post the game here.
    (providing I don't make a complete tit out of myself!)
    play the KID, QID, NKID(n stands for neo) or the Grunfeld or any opening you like that starts with ...Nf6!(there are almost infinity of them ) against d4. I call ...Nf6! brilliant because chances are you can play a line that your opponent has no knowledge of that is sound(unlike this gambit here) and hence have better prospects of winning than playing an unsound gambit.
  7. 18 Nov '07 23:41
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    ... or any opening you like that starts with ...Nf6 ...
    I have never seen you play Alekhine's.
    maybe you should try that if we get to game 5
  8. 18 Nov '07 23:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    I have never seen you play Alekhine's.
    maybe you should try that if we get to game 5
    you should have played it against me because I have only beaten it once out of about 100 times playing against it.
  9. 19 Nov '07 00:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    you should have played it against me because I have only beaten it once out of about 100 times playing against it.
    well, there's always game 4
    but I'm expecting 1. d4 from you after seeing my mighty Caro-Kann in action!
  10. 19 Nov '07 00:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    well, there's always game 4
    except that I don't play 1.e4 any more

    EDIT: or 1.d4
  11. 19 Nov '07 00:32
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    except that I don't play 1.e4 any more

    EDIT: or 1.d4
    one of those 1. Nf3 fans, ehh?
    it's ridiculous how you people change your first move reperitoire as white nowadays...
    lose one game to a Caro-Kann and suddenly 1. e4 is unsound. good grief.
  12. 19 Nov '07 00:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    one of those 1. Nf3 fans, ehh?
    it's ridiculous how you people change your first move reperitoire as white nowadays...
    lose one game to a Caro-Kann and suddenly 1. e4 is unsound. good grief.
    it isn't Nf3 either. and if I do play 1.e4 c6 I will just play the panov attack(now).
  13. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    19 Nov '07 02:01
    I play the Englund gambit at times. I find that black only has a few traps which, if white falls for, wins for black...

    If not, white is up a pawn but with slightly less compensation. With perfect play it's a Morra gambit without tempo, probably drawing. With an error by white, it's a simple black win.
  14. 19 Nov '07 02:04
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    I play the Englund gambit at times. I find that black only has a few traps which, if white falls for, wins for black...

    If not, white is up a pawn but with slightly less compensation. With perfect play it's a Morra gambit without tempo, probably drawing. With an error by white, it's a simple black win.
    did you read zzyw's post?
  15. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    19 Nov '07 02:19
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    did you read zzyw's post?
    yah . I don't have a lot of faith in this line anyways. If you are 200 points less than me and I know you'll be okay with a draw.. I'll probably play e5 or the french defense (e6). If you see me play the DD it's probably because I figure you won't be fishing for a draw.