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21 Feb 07
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by RedmikeAccording to shredder database this is the Old Benomi defense, though don't take that as given as i have seen it classify things wrong before (particularly when a transposition takes place...)
My opponent played this in an otb game last night, and I was amazed when I checked later that it had been played a reasonable number of times before.
Is there a name for this?
I've never seen it before, in a couple decades of playing 1.d4
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by MarinkatombI'd have thought 1.d4 c5 made it the old Benoni, but I was thinking more of 2...f5, which just looks bad (and indeed was bad, in this case - an 18-move win).
According to shredder database this is the Old Benomi defense, though don't take that as given as i have seen it classify things wrong before (particularly when a transposition takes place...)
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by RedmikeYes it doesn't look like a very good line to me. Black can't move the e-pawn because of the threat of d6! which cramps his position to high hell!! This in turn makes the c-pawn weak and black is almost forced into fianchettoing both bishops which strikes me as very slow. Do you have the pgn of your game? 🙂
I'd have thought 1.d4 c5 made it the old Benoni, but I was thinking more of 2...f5, which just looks bad (and indeed was bad, in this case - an 18-move win).
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by MarinkatombCan't remember the whole game, but it went 3.e4 fe 4. Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Qb6 6.Qd2 h6.
Yes it doesn't look like a very good line to me. Black can't move the e-pawn because of the threat of d6! which cramps his position to high hell!! This in turn makes the c-pawn weak and black is almost forced into fianchettoing both bishops which strikes me as very slow. Do you have the pgn of your game? 🙂
I'll get the scoresheet when I'm back at home.
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by RedmikeIt's called the Clarendon Court defense... Mestel did a video (Foxy Openings) on it years ago.
My opponent played this in an otb game last night, and I was amazed when I checked later that it had been played a reasonable number of times before.
Is there a name for this?
I've never seen it before, in a couple decades of playing 1.d4
21 Feb 07
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Originally posted by JDChessThe idea could be to stop 3.e4 and possible advance in kingside in future, but as I said this move cant stop 3.e4 and its white who is attacking.
I can see any good reasoning at all for 2...f5 and in the interest of fairness I tried to consider it in more than just passing interest.
21 Feb 07
Originally posted by RedmikeI think black could have continued a while longer. He was Q for R+N, there was still a little play left in the position. Black is without question losing, but he had nothing to lose by continuing just a little further surely... 16..dxe5? shocking!! 🙄
The game went:
1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4 fe 4.Nc3 Nf6 5. Bg5 Qb6 6.Qd2 h6 7. Bf6 Qf6
8. 0-0-0 d6 9. Ne4 Qf7 10. Re1 Kd8 11. Nf3 g6 12. Bd3 Qd4 13. Nc3 Qf7 14. Ne5 Qg7 15. Bg6 Be6 16. Nd5 de5 17. Nf4+ Kc8 18.Ne6 1-0
I've left off the ? marks.....
22 Feb 07
Originally posted by MarinkatombIn the final position, after say 18...Nc6 and 19.Nxg7,he's only got a piece for the queen, I think.
I think black could have continued a while longer. He was Q for R+N, there was still a little play left in the position. Black is without question losing, but he had nothing to lose by continuing just a little further surely... 16..dxe5? shocking!! 🙄
He had only considerered 17.Nb6+, which isn't so clear