Originally posted by Regicidali don't think the opening matters much when there's a 500 points gap.
Yeah, I crushed it.
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As others have mentioned, 1 e4 d5 2exd Nf6 (called the Icelandic Gambit ...a subsystem of Scandinavian) is the better choice by far...I've nailed people who try to hold on to the extra pawn:
White may defend the pawn with 3.c4; and e6 is the relatively little-explored Icelandic Gambit,
It has quick development, sometimes a very surprsing discovered check, and really does mess people up a little in speed chess (if you happen to play that)
Originally posted by hypermo20013...Qd6 is a strong variation worth looking at as well. 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6
As others have mentioned, 1 e4 d5 2exd Nf6 (called the Icelandic Gambit ...a subsystem of Scandinavian) is the better choice by far...I've nailed people who try to hold on to the extra pawn:
White may defend the pawn with 3.c4; and e6 is the relatively little-explored Icelandic Gambit,
It has quick development, sometimes a very surprsing discovered check, and really does mess people up a little in speed chess (if you happen to play that)
If 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6,
What happens if white then plays 3.c4 to hang on to the pawn? Is there a way for black to guarantee getting the pawn back or get plenty or counterplay?
Also, what happens if white plays 3.Bb5+ instead, again trying to hang on to the pawn? Is there a way for black to get the pawn back or is it a proper gambit?
The reason I ask this is because I like the look of the Nf6 move (better then Qxd5 in my opinion, losing a tempo) in the Scandinavian, but I don't like gambitting pawns 😛, so I wondered if there was a way for black to get the pawn back.
Thanks
Skims
Originally posted by cmsMasterYa mean Bobby fischer only played SEVEN games against teh Scandinavian, ever???
Scandinavian always seems better for white in my opinion. If you play it I say that 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 is the best way to go about it. BTW Fischer scored 100% against the Scandinavian. Edit:Not quite, his recored was 5 wins 2 draws 0 losses. So he was undefeated against it...
Just don't sound right.
Originally posted by GinRoseMy database has 4 games under normal conditions in which he scored 3 wins and a draw. And a few simul games one of which he lost.
Ya mean Bobby fischer only played SEVEN games against teh Scandinavian, ever???
Just don't sound right.
Fischer,R - Wilkerson,M [B14]
San Francisco sim San Francisco, 1964
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.d4 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.c5 e6 7.Bb5 Be7 8.Nf3 0-0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.0-0 a5 11.Bf4 Ra6 12.Re1 Nd7 13.Na4 Re8 14.Ne5 Nxe5 15.Bxe5 Bf8 16.Nb6 f6 17.Bg3 e5 18.dxe5 Bxc5 19.Nxc8 fxe5 20.Rc1 Bb4 21.Rxe5 Qxc8 22.Rxd5 Re1+ 23.Qxe1 Bxe1 24.Bh4 Qe6 25.Rd8+ Kf7 26.Rcd1 Ra7 27.a3 c5 28.R1d3 Bd2 29.g3 g5 30.Rxd2 gxh4 0-1
Originally posted by skimsneither did i but now i'll pretty much do anything in the game that i think will make it more interesting, like pawn gambits and trading a bishop or knight for 2 pawns around the opponents king - makes for a very good game.
but I don't like gambitting pawns
the rating likely won't improve much because trail and error brings a lot of mess-ups but its good to change your game, learn a few different styles etc.
Originally posted by XanthosNZBe that as it may, I'm sure Bobby played many thousands of games against the Scandinavian.
My database has 4 games under normal conditions in which he scored 3 wins and a draw. And a few simul games one of which he lost.
Fischer,R - Wilkerson,M [B14]
San Francisco sim San Francisco, 1964
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.d4 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.c5 e6 7.Bb5 Be7 8.Nf3 0-0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.0-0 a5 11.Bf4 Ra6 12.Re1 Nd7 13.Na4 Re8 14.Ne5 Nxe5 15.Bxe5 ...[text shortened]... + 23.Qxe1 Bxe1 24.Bh4 Qe6 25.Rd8+ Kf7 26.Rcd1 Ra7 27.a3 c5 28.R1d3 Bd2 29.g3 g5 30.Rxd2 gxh4 0-1
Originally posted by XanthosNZUnpopular ? Well now that's odd, xanthos, as it runs contrary to everything I've ever read about the Scandinavian Defense, also called the Center-Counter Game. It was one of the more popular openings during the "Romantic" period of chess that has stood the test of time and has always been in regular use in all levels of chess. There is no way Fischer only played a few games against it.
What you are sure of has no bearing. Find the games. It was an unpopular opening during Fischer's playing years.
To gainsay that is to show one's ignorance. You cannot tell me that in all of the hundreds of thousands of games Fischer played, he only saw the Scandinavian used against his favorite opening as white,1.E4, less than ten times. That's a ridiculous statement even for you.