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  1. 15 Mar '08 03:09
    I would like to be able to play an opening that immediately takes my opponent out of their book. Since I'm a more tactical player, i thought 1. g4 would be a good choice. Does anyone know where i can find help with this opening over the internet?
  2. 15 Mar '08 03:13
    Originally posted by Dejection
    I would like to be able to play an opening that immediately takes my opponent out of their book. Since I'm a more tactical player, i thought 1. g4 would be a good choice. Does anyone know where i can find help with this opening over the internet?
    This tournament has some very good games with the grob.

    Tournament 1667
  3. 15 Mar '08 03:15
    1. W:g4 B:d5
    2. W:bg2 or h3 B:c6 , e5 or bxg2 as a reply to bg2. e5 to reply to h3

    on and on it goes. Chessmaster has an opening book for this, I'm sure fritz, etc have them too. Or you could check a database to see what people are doing.
  4. 15 Mar '08 03:16
    Originally posted by Dejection
    I would like to be able to play an opening that immediately takes my opponent out of their book. Since I'm a more tactical player, i thought 1. g4 would be a good choice. Does anyone know where i can find help with this opening over the internet?
    Also, never forget Wikipedia!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_Opening
  5. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    15 Mar '08 03:20
    Originally posted by KnightStalker47
    This tournament has some very good games with the grob.

    Tournament 1667
    it looks like all the games history isnt working, or at least the ones i clicked..
  6. 15 Mar '08 03:25
    Originally posted by irontigran
    it looks like all the games history isnt working, or at least the ones i clicked..
    The opening move history is there for most of the games, the game history is missing for the endgame only.
  7. 15 Mar '08 03:32
    Thread 62096 This thread has some good info on the grob.
  8. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    15 Mar '08 03:32
    Originally posted by KnightStalker47
    The opening move history is there for most of the games, the game history is missing for the endgame only.
    thanks, my mistake.. i just saw that annoying red failure writing and bolted!
  9. 15 Mar '08 03:36
    Originally posted by Dejection
    I would like to be able to play an opening that immediately takes my opponent out of their book. Since I'm a more tactical player, i thought 1. g4 would be a good choice. Does anyone know where i can find help with this opening over the internet?
    Also,

    http://www.logicalchess.com/resources/openings/grob/index.html

    http://nestore.mysteria.cz/
  10. 15 Mar '08 04:39
    I think it would be a wonderful idea just to forget the Grob.
    I've always done well with it, but the sequence 1. g4, d5; 2. h3 (Basman's recommendation), e5; 3. Bg2, h5! is tough to meet.
    If you like something not analyzed to death, try 1. c3. Oh, by the way, the Grob has been analyzed extensively, and if you must play it, get Basman's book on it, bearing in mind that he himself eventually gave up on it!
  11. 15 Mar '08 04:57
    Originally posted by cubs
    I think it would be a wonderful idea just to forget the Grob.
    I've always done well with it, but the sequence 1. g4, d5; 2. h3 (Basman's recommendation), e5; 3. Bg2, h5! is tough to meet.
    Yep. An early ...h5 pretty much refutes the Grob.

    1.g4 is good as a surprise weapon against weak opposition, but against anyone half decent (or indeed anyone with access to a database!) it really leaves white in all sorts of trouble; ie Game 4449001
  12. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    15 Mar '08 05:01 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Yep. An early ...h5 pretty much refutes the Grob.

    1.g4 is good as a surprise weapon against weak opposition, but against anyone half decent (or indeed anyone with access to a database!) it really leaves white in all sorts of trouble; ie Game 4449001
    If Grob is useful only against weaker opposition how IM Basman managed to beat IMs and GMs with such inferior opening?
  13. 15 Mar '08 05:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Korch
    If Grob is useful only against weaker opposition how IM Basman managed to beat IMs and GMs with such inferior opening?
    He is a tactical genius who, for some reason known only to himself, decided to specialise in oddities.
    Look at his Grob games on chesslive.de - he lost many against weaker opposition when he could probably have won playing sound openings.

    His record on www.chesslive.de with 1.g4:
    P=28
    W=11
    L=9
    D=9
    Hardly resounding for a leading expert.

    I know you like the Grob & know it well Korch. You must admit the early ...h5 plan is extremely good for black.
  14. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    15 Mar '08 08:24 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    He is a tactical genius who, for some reason known only to himself, decided to specialise in oddities.
    Look at his Grob games on chesslive.de - he lost many against weaker opposition when he could probably have won playing sound openings.

    His record on www.chesslive.de with 1.g4:
    P=28
    W=11
    L=9
    D=9
    Hardly resounding for a leading expert.

    I kn ...[text shortened]... the Grob & know it well Korch. You must admit the early ...h5 plan is extremely good for black.
    About Basman - his statistics itself gives nothing without taking into account opposition he have been played against.

    I agree that plan with e5 and h5 is one of the best replies against Grob, but in my opinion if white knows how to play black cant get more than equality. And in my dictionary "sound" means "gives at least equality".
  15. 15 Mar '08 11:29
    Dragon Fire is the main Grob player on here, I think. I suggest learn a lot of responses to the Grob OTB, as if you play it and they catch you by surprise with a particular variant, you are pretty much sunk. I personally prefer castling queenside as Black against the Grob, particularly after releasing the bishop by dubiously accepting the pawn sac'. Then White either castles on his only side, or pawn storms and leaves his king in the centre.
    Anyway, you probably don't want to listen to me, listen to Korch, Squelchbelch and Dragon Fire.
    Thanks for reading.