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another anti-Sicilian thread
a friend of mine rated 1400 USCF played this a lot against me in the past with success...
so, what do you guys think?
is it worth learning as another way to avoid open-sicilian games?

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I'm currently trying the Smith Morra. I have no clue what to do against the silly defense. I try playing it, and most people play 2. c4 against me.

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I assume you mean.

1. e4 c5
2. c3

In which case Black has a good game after

2...Nf6

Or my choice

2...d5.

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Originally posted by Diet Coke
I assume you mean.

1. e4 c5
2. c3

In which case Black has a good game after

2...Nf6

Or my choice

2...d5.
1. e4 c5
2. c3 Nf6
3. e5 Nd5
4. d4 cxd4
5. cxd4 Nc6
6. Nf3 with a hoild on center, but weak d4 pawn for white...
also, the d5 knight is unopposed in the center...
i know all the disadvantages weighing against the Alapin, i just want to know if it is entirely worthless, not worth studying, what's it score on computers?
that kind of stuff....

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5 More usual for black is d6

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Originally posted by Diet Coke
5 More usual for black is d6
ok then, so answer the question...
does black have a distinct advantage, or is it very playable for white....?

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
1. e4 c5
2. c3 Nf6
3. e5 Nd5
4. d4 cxd4
5. cxd4 Nc6
6. Nf3 with a hoild on center, but weak d4 pawn for white...
also, the d5 knight is unopposed in the center...
i know all the disadvantages weighing against the Alapin, i just want to know if it is entirely worthless, not worth studying, what's it score on computers?
that kind of stuff....
Hm, I think if you're looking to see how it scores based on percentages it's somewhere around 50-52% for white. It's quite playable, and is by no means a waste of time to study. Of course, it's also less active than the Open.

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
ok then, so answer the question...
does black have a distinct advantage, or is it very playable for white....?
I don't think I'm qualified to dismiss an entire line.

After all g4 is playable for white.

So yes, it's playable for white.

However it's not as good as Nf3 d4 etc.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Hm, I think if you're looking to see how it scores based on percentages it's somewhere around 50-52% for white. It's quite playable, and is by no means a waste of time to study. Of course, it's also less active than the Open.
thanks, that's the answer type i was looking for...

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Hm, I think if you're looking to see how it scores based on percentages it's somewhere around 50-52% for white. It's quite playable, and is by no means a waste of time to study. Of course, it's also less active than the Open.
My Database has White 25.4% Draw 37.3% Black 37.3% for 5..d6.

Only off a 185 games though.

Maybe your's is bigger.😉

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Originally posted by Diet Coke
My Database has White 25.4% Draw 37.3% Black 37.3% for 5..d6.

Only off a 185 games though.

Maybe your's is bigger.😉
Mine is given in a book on the Sicilian, it's probably from Mega DB or something on that level...

I still think the Open Sicilian is what white should play - and if he refuses than the Rossolimo/Moscow seems ok too - although I've never seen these often.

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Is that.

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 d6
etc

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Mine is given in a book on the Sicilian, it's probably from Mega DB or something on that level...

I still think the Open Sicilian is what white should play - and if he refuses than the Rossolimo/Moscow seems ok too - although I've never seen these often.
yes, i used to play Sicilian as black, before i switched to Caro-Kann
and i saw the Rossolimo, and liked it for white...
so if/when i ever start playing open Sicilian games, i'll probably go to the Rossolimo or Dragon if i know my opponent will play it instead of Najdorf...

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
yes, i used to play Sicilian as black, before i switched to Caro-Kann
and i saw the Rossolimo, and liked it for white...
so if/when i ever start playing open Sicilian games, i'll probably go to the Rossolimo or Dragon if i know my opponent will play it instead of Najdorf...
Dragon is from the black side.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Dragon is from the black side.
i know that, i just meant that i would only play through the main line:
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3
if i knew my opponent favored the Dragon Variation...
i don't want to have to learn Najdorf for a LOOOOOOOONG time

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