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A discussion about the English

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T1000, have you had success with playing c6 against c4, after I started playing Caro-Kann I have thouhgt about switching to a "1..c6 against everything" -system. Anyway I have never seen 1. c4 c6 in "real" play, so I have thought that maybe there is some simple way to "refute" it, that is, ensure advantage

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I think there is a standard line that is 1.c4,e5, 2.g3,Nf6, 3.Bg2,c6 and it is called the Keres system against the English. I think if you played ..c6 on move 1 it would still possibly fit under that system. As far as a typical 'English' response to it I'll have to take a look at it. 🙂

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You can just play thematic English moves like g3 Bg2 and instead of Nc3 play Nf3 if my memory does serve me correct......white can also gambit off his c-pawn if he chooses to!

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Absolutely!! I read a line last night where white gave up a pawn to open the c and b files for his rooks. Black ended up with a bad backward c pawn and ended up losing it. No problems there for white.😉

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Originally posted by Rabella
T1000, have you had success with playing c6 against c4, after I started playing Caro-Kann I have thouhgt about switching to a "1..c6 against everything" -system. Anyway I have never seen 1. c4 c6 in "real" play, so I have thought that m ...[text shortened]... re is some simple way to "refute" it, that is, ensure advantage
Apologies for the delay in replying! And even now it's not a direct reply to you Rabella, more a few general points.

I'm not sure if I could legitimately claim "success with playing c6 against c4". The one thing I would say is that against most (and by that I mean excluding anyone rated 1500+ say) peeps who play 1.c4 the reply c6 might not necessarily be what they are expecting or feel comfortable with.

I'm trying to move away from playing huge long book openings and instead am aiming to set up positions with which I feel comfortable with going into the middlegame, and hopefully those being positions my opponent feels not so comfortable with (hence 1...c6 as opposed to 1.e5 or whatever is the norm).

So long as you (impersonal) adhere to and grasp/understand fairly basic principles of development and tempo and play moves which you can understand (and at least start shaping some kind of plan) then I think it's quite quite likely you'll either beat or come out ahead after the opening stages against most lower to mid ranked players.

Specialist opening books, the latest theory, what to play after 8.Bg5 or whatever, that's all great, but not (to my mind) what the average 1100 - 1400 (or even above) player should be looking at. From chatting to people ranked in this range I get the impression that many feel that to move into the next 100 point category (I mean going from 1300 to 1400, or 1400 - 1500 say) is a monster step, requiring masses of opening theory etc.

I just don't see it that way. It's possible to become a pretty strong player on the back of limited opening book knowledge but good understanding of what tempo is, of how to develop pieces correctly, of identifying when your opponent has made a mistake, and being tactically good enough to exploit the mistake.

There's a lot of joy to be had in endgames and also identifying a weakness, forming a plan, and then carrying out a plan. Don't get too bogged down in opening theory.

T1000

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Preach on brotha! I know what you are saying!

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I agree!! I think that knowing the 'idea' behind an opening or defense is very important, as is basic knowledge of the strategies and tactics of the opening. But nothing will help if you get into the middlegame and don't know what to do. Getting a good grasp of strategy and planning and basic endings will pay off faster than memorizing lines of a favorite opening or defense. 😉

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Originally posted by ChessNut
I agree!! I think that knowing the 'idea' behind an opening or defense is very important, as is basic knowledge of the strategies and tactics of the opening. But nothing will help if you get into the middlegame and don't know what to do. Getting a good grasp of strategy and planning and basic endings will pay off faster than memorizing lines of a favorite opening or defense. 😉
I agree with Chessnut. I have an old book by Ed Lasker called 'Chess Strategy', in which there are sections on the opening, middle and end games. In the section on openings, Lasker concentrates on deep principles rather than memorising lots of moves. Obviously it's good to have some openings memorised, but the strength of Lasker's approach shows when an unforseen variation comes up in play. The book is also worth reading just for the middle and end game sections, and is credited with giving Keres and Reuben Fine their start in chess. Lots of emphasis on pawn structure and concepts like 'distant opposition'. 🙄

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Originally posted by ChessNut
I thought it would be fun to start some threads discussing some openings.

Any English players out there want to talk about dangerous lines or lines they have had success with?
Threads about specific openings are a good idea, i think. As for the English, if you're playing black and have to respond to 1c4, it's as well, to have some basic familiarity with it. It doesn't seem to come up too often, but when it does I opt for the ultra-symmetric, basically because I am lazy and can just copy white's first few moves. I haven't had any disasters with it, and usually seem to emerge roughly equal (as far as i can tell 😕)

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I often try to take the transition approach when I'm playing an opening that results in an unexpected line - that is, if I can look a few moves ahead and see how an unusual move on my part will likely result in a position that I meant to be in from my original opening, I will respond with that. That's been a very useful tool for me in making the 1300's to 1400's transition. Now, making the 1400's to 1500's transition is proving more difficult, I guess I'll have to study more theory before I'm ready to do that! 😏

-jackburton

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To get to the next level don't study openings.....just follow the general pricinples and develop. To get to the next level, study middlegames and endgames!