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  1. Subscriber gregsflat
    William Penn's gaze
    22 Oct '10 18:49
    YouTube

    This is possible, he explains the method at the end of the video.
  2. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    22 Oct '10 19:02
    Derren Brown..most impressive...apparently he was planning something else 'within the chess world' just after the making of that video but that was on a channel four, in the UK, website and probably 12 months and more ago.
  3. Subscriber C J Horse
    A stable personality
    22 Oct '10 19:03 / 1 edit
    Can't watch it in the UK, but I assume it's Derren Brown? **Edit** I see it is from the post one minute ago.
  4. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    22 Oct '10 20:21
    Saw this awhile back, no way the various gm's didn't know what was going on.
  5. 23 Oct '10 00:02
    As a matter of fact I read somewhere that these 'grand masters' were just actors. Genuine grand masters would spot the trick straight away. It is kind of obvious when you can see the same game as yours happening on the other side of the circle only with colours reversed.
  6. 23 Oct '10 22:32
    You can't see see the other games from where you stand, however, I find it hard to believe that the games actually followed each other for longer than a few moves...
  7. 24 Oct '10 01:38
    Originally posted by Maxacre42
    You can't see see the other games from where you stand, however, I find it hard to believe that the games actually followed each other for longer than a few moves...
    All he had to do was remember the move from 4 tables ago and play it. That's why on the first table where he was white he didn't make a move until the second time around. The prediction of the remaining material must be an interesting trick.
  8. 24 Oct '10 02:44
    When I saw the first move and he walked away without playing a move, I immediately became suspicious. Good memory nonetheless to do what he did. To claim he beat nine GMs is a bit rich in my opinion. He only actually beat one player (was he a ring-in?). The others beat or drew with each other, so to claim he beat 9 GMs is a bit of stretch.
  9. 24 Oct '10 13:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by andrew93
    When I saw the first move and he walked away without playing a move, I immediately became suspicious. Good memory nonetheless to do what he did. To claim he beat nine GMs is a bit rich in my opinion. He only actually beat one player (was he a ring-in?). The others beat or drew with each other, so to claim he beat 9 GMs is a bit of stretch.
    Besides, it's an oooooooold trick. And it has gone wrong when two players did this in collusion and both decided to deviate and go for the "obvious win" instead - both turning out to be non-obvious losses. Don't remember where I read that story - Silman maybe?

    Richard
  10. Standard member JonathanB of London
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    27 Oct '10 11:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Uries
    As a matter of fact I read somewhere that these 'grand masters' were just actors
    Not true. Well, you might well have read it somewhere, but nevertheless the players involved - all bar one - are well know in England. One of them, Chris Ward (GM) did a lecture at my club a few years ago and talked about the experience of filming with Derren Brown.

    I think I agree that the players involved probably did have an inkling as to what was going on.


    For chess players the 'trick' might be rather old hat and well known. Amongst non-chess players, however, it went down very well. UK residents are blocked from these Channel 4 Derren Brown clips now but they didn't used to be. For some time when this was accessible from Britain it was amongst the most viewed of all Derren Brown clips on youtube.