Did I miss something or has someone suggested the unthinkable that the result of competing women more or less reflects the relationship between the number of men/women actually playing chess? I don't know about you but in my club there are 46 members, not one woman and If you want to produce top players you have to have a broad base of practitioners.
Originally posted by infernalgnuI agree with this 100%. If more women started playing, I am sure that eventually one will make it to world champion.
Did I miss something or has someone suggested the unthinkable that the result of competing women more or less reflects the relationship between the number of men/women actually playing chess? I don't know about you but in my club there are 46 members, not one woman and If you want to produce top players you have to have a broad base of practitioners.
Originally posted by infernalgnu"a broad base of practitioners" suggests that women arent people like they belong in a different group from men altogether. I'm sure it's partly just a question of statistics.
Did I miss something or has someone suggested the unthinkable that the result of competing women more or less reflects the relationship between the number of men/women actually playing chess? I don't know about you but in my club there are 46 members, not one woman and If you want to produce top players you have to have a broad base of practitioners.
Originally posted by hAnimateSome says that women are a special species apart from Homo Sapiens, but that's not true.
"a broad base of practitioners" suggests that women arent people like they belong in a different group from men altogether. I'm sure it's partly just a question of statistics.
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Originally posted by infernalgnuit may be that your club is not iniviting to female players.
Did I miss something or has someone suggested the unthinkable that the result of competing women more or less reflects the relationship between the number of men/women actually playing chess? I don't know about you but in my club there are 46 members, not one woman and If you want to produce top players you have to have a broad base of practitioners.
for instance, the marshall chess club is quite messy and unkempt --- quite uninviting for most people except for chess players.
Originally posted by infernalgnuI honestly believe, If there was a 50/50 Ratio between men and women theres really not a doubt in my mind, that a Woman would be the World Champion. Not only that, she would probably defend it like the Past Great World Champions have. Its just a factor of getting more Women into the Top Ranks. I also dont Believe a Woman is either missing the part of the mind that makes people good chess players or just Isnt using that part of the brain. I've beat many women at this game but also some that have thrown me from the Chess Board so hard I still have black and Blue Marks.
Well, wouldn't there at least have to be one woman visiting to judge our standards then, if that's what's keeping them away?
Someday it might happen. Even Bobby Fischer won the World Championship and he was the Only American, nobody at the time thought an American could beat THE GREAT Boris Spassky but look what happened. I probably wont see another American Win the World Chess Championships in my lifetime but it probably will happen before the end of time, same goes for a Womens World Champion.
I am a Man but I also see what I see its going to happen theres really no stopping it since most men players nowadays, seem to be cowards and draw games after 13 or so moves, The Chess Players from the 1800's where the best of all time, Today Chess playing has went down hill just because of the Top Ranked Players playing this Great Game.
Originally posted by demonseedehrm.. *whisper* she won the Women World Championship... it follows that she be a womyn.. or xe could not have entered...
There is a woman world chess champion and her name is Xu Yuhua.
I dare state it is more likely that a Woman will ever be World Champion than that a Man will win the Women World Chapionship! There!
Originally posted by hAnimateShe is still a world champion.
ehrm.. *whisper* she won the Women World Championship... it follows that she be a womyn.. or xe could not have entered...
I dare state it is more likely that a Woman will ever be World Champion than that a Man will win the Women World Chapionship! There!
**Pssst** I was being pedantic.
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt's not really the men that enforce this, though, is it? Women are allowed to compete in open tournaments, and Judit Polgar chose to do this. But plenty of women choose to compete in the women's tournaments. If nobody entered they wouldn't exist.
A Woman World Champion is outdated. It stems from that era when men didn't think women were equally intelligent as men, and their deficit logical abilities far inferior than that of men.
Now we know for a fact that men and women are equal in intellectual gifts. To organize a special tournament for women is only to accept women inferiority. This is tota ...[text shortened]... n't worry about intellectual matters. The serve better in the kitchen, serving coffee or beer?
I do believe, though, that the main reason is the size of the player base (and there are various reasons for that). Bridge has a much more mixed player base, and as a result you get more women at the top. Possibly because it's a more social game?
Originally posted by mtthwPersonally I don't know any women who play chess at all, besides my own mother (and she isn't very good).
It's not really the men that enforce this, though, is it? Women are allowed to compete in open tournaments, and Judit Polgar chose to do this. But plenty of women choose to compete in the women's tournaments. If nobody entered they wouldn't exist.
I do believe, though, that the main reason is the size of the player base (and there are various reasons for ...[text shortened]... e, and as a result you get more women at the top. Possibly because it's a more social game?
I also don't know any female engineers besides myself, and no female car mechanics besides my sister. That doesn't mean they don't exist. I firmly believe they do. And some are even nice people.
The social argument is a good one, I could imagine women feeling more comfortable in women's tournaments.. they say it's lonely at the top.. twice so if you're a top female in a men's sport.
The scholastic chess club I coach is co-ed, and we have about the same number of girls as we do boys (slightly more boys, but still not worse than 60/40). Most of the scholastic tournaments are also co-ed. There is one tournament every year in our region that separates them (Queen's Quest with Knights on the Side).
Oddly enough, many of the girls really look forward to that one tournament. They play in them all, but they look forward to that one. It isn't because they win more games, because they don't. They just prefer the atmosphere of the event.
But, as the girls get older, around 7th grade or so, they lose interest in playing competitively. I don't know if this is consistent in other locations, but I see it pretty regularly. I have no problem getting younger girls to play, but I don't have any older ones that still do. Boys keep going, girls get other interests. They aren't 'quitters', they just find other things that are more important to them and there is only so much time in the day.
Being the women's world champion is a dubious distinction at best because the reigning queen really isn't 'the' champion. It is like being the U1800 champion. Of all the people under 1800, you are the best. Or even being the US Champion, since that is restricted to just one country. As the women's champion you are only the best of all the women, which is a subset of overall players, which means you really aren't 'the' champion, you are simply best player of a sub-group.
We could have world champions of all sorts of subsets if we wanted. We could have the world Jewish champion, or the world's midget champion, or even the world's blonde champion (although that would bring out all kinds of peroxide pretenders to the crown). If I worked at it really hard I could probably find a category for me to be the world chess champion of some sub-group. It wouldn't be a very interesting tournament since it would be restricted to the point that I was the only one who qualified, but I am sure it could be done. Then I could run around and declare myself to be the World Chess Champion.