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  1. 08 Apr '07 06:39
    I try and watch the top players play one another, even if I am lost much of the time. I had been watching this game Game 2472562 for the past couple months or so and I came on today to see that it ended in a Timeout

    Obviously Akizy already "won" but I was rather curious to see how it was going to turn out. I am curious to hear what some highly rated players such as Korch or DragonFire think about the game?

    I would be eager to hear any commentary on the game anyone has to offer as well.
  2. 08 Apr '07 06:50
    Well I see no way white could lose from there, unless he blunders of course.
  3. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    08 Apr '07 09:39
    Originally posted by Turanthor
    I try and watch the top players play one another, even if I am lost much of the time. I had been watching this game Game 2472562 for the past couple months or so and I came on today to see that it ended in a Timeout

    Obviously Akizy already "won" but I was rather curious to see how it was going to turn out. I am curious to hear what some highly ...[text shortened]... the game?

    I would be eager to hear any commentary on the game anyone has to offer as well.
    These guys are in a different league to me but, that said, I can't see a forced win for black so surely white wins this unless black has a perpetual (which I also cannot see).

    Put it on Fritz (if you want) which will find any forcing lines?
  4. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    08 Apr '07 16:45 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    These guys are in a different league to me but, that said, I can't see a forced win for black so surely white wins this unless black has a perpetual (which I also cannot see).

    Put it on Fritz (if you want) which will find any forcing lines?
    I disagree. White has slightly better position but black has counter play due to their active pieces. At least I dont see any forcing line which could prove advantage of white.
  5. 08 Apr '07 17:14
    When I look at that position, I dont think black is completly lost.

    R+N for a queen isn't too bad, and also that B pawn looks like it has potentcial.
  6. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    08 Apr '07 17:55
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    When I look at that position, I dont think black is completly lost.

    R+N for a queen isn't too bad, and also that B pawn looks like it has potentcial.
    Game which shows what can happen with player who underrates R+B against Queen.


    [Event "Moscow International Tournament"]
    [Site "Moscow"]
    [Date "1925.??.??"]
    [EventDate "?"]
    [Round "8"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [White "Ilyin A Zhenevsky"]
    [Black "Em Lasker"]
    [ECO "B50"]
    [WhiteElo "?"]
    [BlackElo "?"]
    [PlyCount "76"]

    1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nf3 d6 4. g3 Nf6 5. Bg2 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. b3 Nc6 8. Bb2 Bd7 9. d4 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Qa5 11. Qd2 Rac8 12. Rad1 Kh8 13.Nce2 Qxa2 14. Ra1 Qxb2 15. Rfb1 Qxb1+ 16. Rxb1 Rfd8 17. c4 Ne8 18. f4 a6 19. Kh1 Nc7 20. Qe3 Rb8 21. Rd1 Nb4 22. Qc3 a5 23. Ra1 b6 24. Qe3 e5 25. Nf5 Bxf5 26. exf5 Nc2 27. Qc3 Nxa1 28. Qxa1 Bf6 29. Qg1 d5 30. cxd5 Nxd5 31. fxe5 Bxe5 32. g4 f6 33. h4 b5 34. Nd4 Ne3 35. Qxe3 Rxd4 36. Bf3 a4 37. h5 a3 38. Qe2 Rbd8 0-1
  7. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    08 Apr '07 18:31
    Originally posted by Korch
    I disagree. White has slightly better position but black has counter play due to their active pieces. At least I dont see any forcing line which could prove advantage of white.
    I agree. I thought that was what I was saying.
  8. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    08 Apr '07 18:33
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    I agree. I thought that was what I was saying.
    Well - from your text I understood that you evaluate that position as winning for white.
  9. Standard member HomerJSimpson
    Renouned Grob Killer
    08 Apr '07 19:10
    Fritz 10 scores it 0.00 which means its a draw
  10. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    08 Apr '07 19:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by HomerJSimpson
    Fritz 10 scores it 0.00 which means its a draw
    Well... theoretically its can be draw, but black will need to play carefully for not to lose.
  11. 08 Apr '07 21:13
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    Well I see no way white could lose from there, unless he blunders of course.
    nah, i give black advantage here...
    white may look beastly with the queen...
    but I think black is winning assuming that he knows what he's doing, and by his rating...
    I assume that he does indeed know what he's doing...
  12. 08 Apr '07 21:13
    Originally posted by HomerJSimpson
    Fritz 10 scores it 0.00 which means its a draw
    really?
    oh well...
    I THOUGHT
    black was winning anyway...
  13. 09 Apr '07 01:28
    from the opening, seadevil played very good king's gambit and have a better position, however it turns out in the end awizky is winning of 2 reasons:

    more pieces

    centered pieces
  14. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    09 Apr '07 07:31
    Originally posted by Ason Pigg2
    from the opening, seadevil played very good king's gambit and have a better position, however it turns out in the end awizky is winning of 2 reasons:

    more pieces

    centered pieces
    wtf?

    1) It was Reti opening not Kings gambit - I dunno how its possible to mix these 2 openings.

    2) Akizy won due to timeout in slightly worse but defendable position.
  15. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    09 Apr '07 08:50
    Originally posted by Korch
    Well - from your text I understood that you evaluate that position as winning for white.

    Originally posted by Korch
    Well... theoretically its can be draw, but black will need to play carefully for not to lose.
    So easy to convey the incorrect impressions if you respond too quickly (isn't it).

    I really meant what you have said, that black does not have a forced win and that it is black that needs to take most care not to lose.

    I (think I) would prefer the white side as it seems easier for black to make an incorrect move than white. Queens can be so devastating on an open board if given a chance. That said this is the type of material imbalance I try to avoid as it is always extremely difficult to play for both sides.